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Serious Fuck "masculinity"

Notkev

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I started at the Redhill originally and saw the alpha male types try and define masculinity for me.
Eventually I found my way to the BP of course and the fact that if you define your manhood by how women view you, you're fucked because it's all genetics and there's nothing you can do. Worse than women, are normie men (normie in their way of thinking and not simply looks). They either wanna view you as competition (if you have SOME advantage over them) or they look down on you if they think they're better than you. Many of these masculine idiot types are the biggest cucks and will value other men based on how they do with women.

Screw masculinity and "real man" bs. Anybody who uses that term is trying to get you to do what benefits THEM. Just work towards what YOU want. Not some bullshit that the gurus convinced you is what you should do "for yourself" but really it's all about peacocking and getting chicks.

It's funny. I watched some leftist black guy on yt and to be honest his takes were WAY more grounded and realistic than the bullshit that the right spews.

The guy flat out admitted that because of looks many men can't get women and his advice really was "Be the best you" which I consider to be BPed considering there's literally nothing else you can do and if it's meant to happen ir will happen naturally without you having to try and proooovveee yourself.
 
Being muh masculine is pretty much just being a simp. They focus all of their efforts on trying to improve because of women, instead of actually wanting to improve for themselves.
 
‘Masculinity’ don’t be Feminine. If you think what would a Woman do don’t do it
 
Being muh masculine is pretty much just being a simp. They focus all of their efforts on trying to improve because of women, instead of actually wanting to improve for themselves.
Some random IT guy who just does whatever the fuck he wants without simping is more respectable that the guy who breaks his back and begs for the smallest bit of attention from foids.
 
‘Masculinity’ don’t be Feminine. If you think what would a Woman do don’t do it
There's some basic things we all know that differentiate between the two. Beyond that though, it's BS.
 
I think it's normal to have those concepts as intelligents beings (well at least more than animals :feelskek:) with a higher level of perception, culture and values, and besides, i do think men and women are inherently different which comes with qualities and flaws therefore resulting in those concepts, but under this current society being masculine is a complete joke. Women don't deserve guys being masculine. To me a guy acting masculine for a typical modern cunt is more cucked than a soyboy and we know those guys are legion, they are the worst simps out there. Nothing disgusts me more than men putting their inherent greatness at the service of women and a society that mistreats and ridicule them, and these cucks usually redirect their confusion and bottled up anger from being treated like trash against other men, they're pieces of shit. Idk if you noticed but there's nothing worse than a divorced "masculine" man, or some youngster trying to prove himself to others. Toxic masculinity goes hand in hand with feminism as feminism is hostile to men on a gender basis and emasculates them but still never advocates for a complete erasure of gender roles.

The "positive masculinity" those sons of bitches talk about was actually simply masculinity + a true repressive polite society but they killed it. Notice how feminists often speak positively of their masculine grand fathers for some reason, and that we don't measure up to them.
 
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True masculinity is about dominating the weak.
 
Some random IT guy who just does whatever the fuck he wants without simping is more respectable that the guy who breaks his back and begs for the smallest bit of attention from foids.
I don't know if I would go that far, but the two are pretty close to each other. :feelsokman:
 
Redpill is idiotic. It wants you to reshape your personality so that you can be accepted by the criterion of women. Be more masculine, be more assertive, be this and that. Yes, if you are a complete mess then you need to adapt to the rules of society to survive. But why is it only us that need to adapt to the specific preferences of women just to get laid? And what's the point of a relationship where you aren't accepted for what you are? And the worst part is that it doesn't work even if you actually do it right, because what matters in the end are only the genes.
 
"masculine" = what foids find convenient in a man, that is a selfless cuckold who only acts in the best interests of the hole, his object of worship.
 
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I had bad experiences with narcissistic women comparing me to their Evolan-Daoist Real Man before, it’s asinine and disrespectful gesture to make.
 
"masculine" = what foids fond convenient in a man, that is a selfless cuckold who only acts in the best interests of the hole, his object of worship.
Exactly :feelspuke::feelspuke::feelspuke: they can go and be a masculine puppet somewhere else :feelscomfy:
 
i hate masculinity man

its just a scapegoat for social darwinism why tf do i have to suffer if im technically not masculine enough?
 
i hate masculinity man

its just a scapegoat for social darwinism why tf do i have to suffer if im technically not masculine enough?
My intuition is that this is also a modern perversion. When men themselves defined what masculinity was and when women weren't masculinized, the threshold for being considered masculine was actually much lower.

Why all the guys i meet in their 60's or 70's are usually laid back and kind, sometimes to the point of being a goof, while all the guys in their 20's or 30's are all stuck up insecure tryhards ? I was born in 93 and i remember that the men back then were also like that, much more relaxed and secure. What they tell us about the patriarchy having super oppressive gender roles for men is fake.
 
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My intuition is that this is also a modern perversion. When men themselves defined what masculinity was and when women weren't masculinized, the threshold for being considered masculine was actually much lower.

Why all the guys i meet in their 60's or 70's are usually laid back and kind, sometimes to the point of being a goof, while all the guys in their 20's or 30's are all stuck up insecure tryhards ? I was born in 93 and i remember that the men back then were also like that. What they tell us about the patriarchy having super oppressive gender roles for men is fake.
the feminism has taken away social avenues for men to be masculine, and left us only with genetic ones
 
the feminism has taken away social avenues for men to be masculine, and left us only with genetic ones
I'd say it's about the threshold, whether genetic, social or symbolic. But yeah it will never be said enough how the genetic avenue (lookism) really became the great level playing field for a sex that's been completely stripped of it's substance and dignity.
 
What they tell us about the patriarchy having super oppressive gender roles for men is fake.
Being Masculine = Dying in excruciating pain in a fucking ditch after bleeding out for an hour, according to both MRAs and Feminists. This evil world is not for kids anymore bruh. Imagine being born as a boy and finding out that's what being masculine is and you can never measure up to it.
 
Being Masculine = Dying in excruciating pain in a fucking ditch after bleeding out for an hour, according to both MRAs and Feminists. This evil world is not for kids anymore bruh. Imagine being born as a boy and finding out that's what being masculine is and you can never measure up to it.
Yeah they will say how this is inherent to masculinity and patriarchy and yet what is happening in Russia/Ukraine right now ? Who is dying en masse, despite those countries being developped european countries in the current year ? :soy: :foidSoy:

Are we supposed to think it would be any different where i live (France, a feministic shithole) ? :feelskek: I will never say enough how the idea of a patriarchy needs to be rehabilitated.
 
I started at the Redhill originally and saw the alpha male types try and define masculinity for me.
Eventually I found my way to the BP of course and the fact that if you define your manhood by how women view you, you're fucked because it's all genetics and there's nothing you can do. Worse than women, are normie men (normie in their way of thinking and not simply looks). They either wanna view you as competition (if you have SOME advantage over them) or they look down on you if they think they're better than you. Many of these masculine idiot types are the biggest cucks and will value other men based on how they do with women.

Screw masculinity and "real man" bs. Anybody who uses that term is trying to get you to do what benefits THEM. Just work towards what YOU want. Not some bullshit that the gurus convinced you is what you should do "for yourself" but really it's all about peacocking and getting chicks.

It's funny. I watched some leftist black guy on yt and to be honest his takes were WAY more grounded and realistic than the bullshit that the right spews.

The guy flat out admitted that because of looks many men can't get women and his advice really was "Be the best you" which I consider to be BPed considering there's literally nothing else you can do and if it's meant to happen ir will happen naturally without you having to try and proooovveee yourself.
On the one hand, these guys are all poor wretches in my eyes and absolute slaves to their baser urges.
And on the other hand, nothing more than snake oil salesmen and charlatans, miserable crooks who want to rip you off.
 
I think it's normal to have those concepts as intelligents beings (well at least more than animals :feelskek:) with a higher level of perception, culture and values, and besides, i do think men and women are inherently different which comes with qualities and flaws therefore resulting in those concepts, but under this current society being masculine is a complete joke. Women don't deserve guys being masculine. To me a guy acting masculine for a typical modern cunt is more cucked than a soyboy and we know those guys are legion, they are the worst simps out there. Nothing disgusts me more than men putting their inherent greatness at the service of women and a society that mistreats and ridicule them, and these cucks usually redirect their confusion and bottled up anger from being treated like trash against other men, they're pieces of shit. Idk if you noticed but there's nothing worse than a divorced "masculine" man, or some youngster trying to prove himself to others. Toxic masculinity goes hand in hand with feminism as feminism is hostile to men on a gender basis and emasculates them but still never advocates for a complete erasure of gender roles.

The "positive masculinity" those sons of bitches talk about was actually simply masculinity + a true repressive polite society but they killed it. Notice how feminists often speak positively of their masculine grand fathers for some reason, and that we don't measure up to them.
I agree. And yeah it's funny that you mention it. My grandfather would throw a hot dish of soup at my grandma if he didn't like the taste. Apparently that's how these cunts want to be treated
 
My intuition is that this is also a modern perversion. When men themselves defined what masculinity was and when women weren't masculinized, the threshold for being considered masculine was actually much lower.

Why all the guys i meet in their 60's or 70's are usually laid back and kind, sometimes to the point of being a goof, while all the guys in their 20's or 30's are all stuck up insecure tryhards ? I was born in 93 and i remember that the men back then were also like that, much more relaxed and secure. What they tell us about the patriarchy having super oppressive gender roles for men is fake.
Even their bodies indicate this. You didn't have to be super jacked to be accepted back then. Just look at the older movies and TV shows. But now you have women call off season cbum a dad bod.
 
Even their bodies indicate this. You didn't have to be super jacked to be accepted back then. Just look at the older movies and TV shows. But now you have women call off season cbum a dad bod.
Exactly :yes::yes::yes: it's obvious how the more feminism/women empowerement advances, the more these so called "toxic standards of masculinity" get WORSE. It really feels like this world is laughing in our face.
 
Btw @Notkev here's a great old post from a deleted member touching on this subject.

As women are exposed to thousands of 'top-tier' men and their expectations get higher and higher, men must run faster and faster on the self improvement treadmill just to stay where they are. The Red Queen is a harsh mistress....

Men are told to hit the gym until they look like damn superheros, learn two new languages, learn to play an instrument with a high degree of proficiency, double their current salary, dress to the nines, become a Don Juan suave, travel and become worldly, just for the chance to maybe not be completely invisible to the masses of women. Meanwhile, the average Becky can do nothing except eat, sleep, poop, Netflix, and internet, and get more attention from the opposite sex in one year than the average man will in 20 lifetimes.

Did men in the past have to do all this?! The average man in the middle ages was a malnourished serf standing five and a half feet tall. If we look at photos of men from the 1930s and 40s, we don't see legions of iron jawed, neo Spartan warriors, but stick-armed, bucktoothed hayseeds. However, these men all had loyal and dutiful wives. Why? Because there was still a minimum level of decent conduct expected from and enforced in women back then. Now, women are encouraged and incentivized to behave in the worst and most destructive ways possible. Now, men are more dedicated to self improvement, hitting the gym, etc, than ever before. And what do they get in return? Women treat them with more coldness, aloofness, and contempt than ever before.

Men of today have been forced into an endless treadmill of relentless self-improvement in a vain attempt to impress women who couldn't care less, and in fact often feel contempt for them due to the feminist culture conditioning them to believe that men are "patriarchal oppressors."

100 years ago, if you were 6ft tall, gymmaxxed, and had a middle class income and lifestyle, you would be like the equivalent of Henry Cavill. Nowadays, you'll struggle to even get noticed with those stats alone.
This game is not simply rigged, it's designed for men to lose. Trying to "win" this game is like trying to win the lottery.
 
Exactly :yes::yes::yes: it's obvious how the more feminism/women empowerement advances, the more these so called "toxic standards of masculinity" get WORSE. It really feels like this world is laughing in our face.
Exactly. I read somewhere that modern men will become like the black people from the times of slavery. All these pressure on us to prove our so called "masculinity" through pure performance that doesn't always benefit us first and foremost (though obviously making money and having a healthy body are some universal goals to strive towards). Not to mention the body standards and lookkism (hardly changeable or immutable traits as we all know)
 
Btw @Notkev here's a great old post from a deleted member touching on this subject.
Said it better than I could put into words. This is why I think we should really all stop trying. Most men should. We have to adapt to this new environment that we've built. This endeavor is fruitless. We should do other things with our lives. Obviously we can't replace a wife with anything else, but we can pursue things we like.
 
Lies. We are the true alphas. Our lives are tougher than any normies.
We are lonely aspies while normies have armies of other normies backing them up, we don't stand a chance against them.

A lot of us are physically subhuman as well
 
Said it better than I could put into words. This is why I think we should really all stop trying. Most men should. We have to adapt to this new environment that we've built. This endeavor is fruitless. We should do other things with our lives. Obviously we can't replace a wife with anything else, but we can pursue things we like.
The sole enterprise of self improving in such a world is enough to make me feel like i'm validating gynocracy and betray other sensible men that see through this bullshit. It's all very tiring.
 
Being Masculine = Dying in excruciating pain in a fucking ditch after bleeding out for an hour, according to both MRAs and Feminists.
So many cuckolds unironically think that dying for their own country is some ultimate act of masculinity, patriotism whatever
This evil world is not for kids anymore bruh. Imagine being born as a boy and finding out that's what being masculine is and you can never measure up to it.
With access to internet at even young age you see how fucked up this world truly is

@solblue
@thespanishcel
 
Some random IT guy who just does whatever the fuck he wants without simping is more respectable that the guy who breaks his back and begs for the smallest bit of attention from foids.
My train of thought too... except for the ´IT guy´ part.

Anyways, Ive always viewed the RP masc. copium dealers as simps in disguise, but just a different flavor.
Simps come in many forms, these guys are just one of them.
I always tell other forum members on here to moneymaxx, go to the gym etc for their own mental health and wellbeing,
(cause the LDAR option sometimes ain´t it, can speak from experience) but never do it in hopes of attracting women.
These masculine copers are just as guilty of contributing to the problem of having a fucked up dating market,
as the simp who blows his paycheck on a teen whore on snapchat or OF.
 
We are lonely aspies while normies have armies of other normies backing them up, we don't stand a chance against them.

A lot of us are physically subhuman as well
Never underestimate the power of TOUGHNESS. Incels are the TOUGHEST people on earth.
 
Btw @Notkev here's a great old post from a deleted member touching on this subject.
Said it better than I could put into words. This is why I think we should really all stop trying. Most men should. We have to adapt to this new environment that we've built. This endeavor is fruitless. We should do other things with our lives. Obviously we can't replace a wife with anything else, but we can pursue things we like.
The idea of masculinity being something you have to prove is the most toxic part of it. But its also the only part that society will tell you is still necessary to the concept of "healthy masculinity." In order to prove you are masculine you need to engage in competition with other males and demonstrate that you are more capable of providing something to society. While "healthy femininity" encourages women to embrace their own nature and act in self interest, "healthy masculinity" requires men to do the opposite: reject their natural urges and strive to achieve some bullshit ideal that serves a greater interest. These ideals are just a means of controlling your behavior and turning you into a good worker slave so that society can continue to function. Trying to be masculine is in itself a cucked goal.

We should do whatever we want and fuck anyone who says we aren't real men because we didn't try hard enough or sacrifice enough. I know I'm man because I have a cock and balls. Thats all I need to know I'm a man. Of course, society will think differently but that's because society's interests aren't aligned with mine. Anyone who tries to tell you what makes a man is trying to use you. Anyone who tries to prove that they are a "real man" is an insecure cuck who lets society control his actions. And ironically, they will never believe themselves to be real men, because there will always be other guys that mog them. Masculinity is a never ending race with a nonexistent finish line. A complete and total lie.
 
a man is someone born with a cock, Even if you cut it off you are a man no matter what. "Masculinity" Is dumb and ive hated ever since kindergarten when my dad used to say "Dont cry you are a man". Masculinity is redpill bullshit that only benefits foids by turning us into unemotional cucks meant to please them.
 
Masculinity is more like a manipulation tactic to get man to bend there knees for something they'll never have or get.
 
The idea of masculinity being something you have to prove is the most toxic part of it. But its also the only part that society will tell you is still necessary to the concept of "healthy masculinity." In order to prove you are masculine you need to engage in competition with other males and demonstrate that you are more capable of providing something to society. While "healthy femininity" encourages women to embrace their own nature and act in self interest, "healthy masculinity" requires men to do the opposite: reject their natural urges and strive to achieve some bullshit ideal that serves a greater interest. These ideals are just a means of controlling your behavior and turning you into a good worker slave so that society can continue to function. Trying to be masculine is in itself a cucked goal.

We should do whatever we want and fuck anyone who says we aren't real men because we didn't try hard enough or sacrifice enough. I know I'm man because I have a cock and balls. Thats all I need to know I'm a man. Of course, society will think differently but that's because society's interests aren't aligned with mine. Anyone who tries to tell you what makes a man is trying to use you. Anyone who tries to prove that they are a "real man" is an insecure cuck who lets society control his actions. And ironically, they will never believe themselves to be real men, because there will always be other guys that mog them. Masculinity is a never ending race with a nonexistent finish line. A complete and total lie.
yup. I'm not changing my hobbies or my appearance just to prove that I'm muh masculine. foids dont have to change themselves so fuck that
 
yup. I'm not changing my hobbies or my appearance just to prove that I'm muh masculine. foids dont have to change themselves so fuck that
Yeah. most women remain children their entire lives. And they think they have the right to tell us anything :lasereyes:
 
Being muh masculine is pretty much just being a simp. They focus all of their efforts on trying to improve because of women, instead of actually wanting to improve for themselves.
Thuggs with their faggit prison tattos make the Perfect feminists. Because afterall, every action leads one step closer to Gunk filled stinky hole.

Instead of thugg losers, we need more Arsonists burning down the supply of oxymoron that Keeps this Hell from falling all the way Down to it's Knees!!!
 
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My train of thought too... except for the ´IT guy´ part.

Anyways, Ive always viewed the RP masc. copium dealers as simps in disguise, but just a different flavor.
Simps come in many forms, these guys are just one of them.
I always tell other forum members on here to moneymaxx, go to the gym etc for their own mental health and wellbeing,
(cause the LDAR option sometimes ain´t it, can speak from experience) but never do it in hopes of attracting women.
These masculine copers are just as guilty of contributing to the problem of having a fucked up dating market,
as the simp who blows his paycheck on a teen whore on snapchat or OF.
Agreed. Also I meant the field of IT not the subreddit.
That was poor choice of words on my part :feelsYall:
 
I like Andrew Tate and David Goggins but I genuinely couldn't imagine reading their books or online courses or whatever the fuck it is they do. I don't need to listen to anyone or watch anything to know how to be man, I just look in the fucking mirror and know. I think to be a man is to do one thing, just live your life for you and don't give a fuck.
Now I'm not saying it's not gonna suck at times, often you're gonna do shit you're not gonna wanna do. But you have to do it because you gotta grow some hair on your chest and balls. If you just lay down and expect life and shit to happen for you, well you are really no different than a foid.
 
I had bad experiences with narcissistic women comparing me to their Evolan-Daoist Real Man before, it’s asinine and disrespectful gesture to make.
they will always do that
 
they will always do that
Why must I be held in proportion to a reality unseen, unheard, and unfelt? Evola’s sphere of influence, as it is imagined as an unmoving irresistible force, cannot provoke more than its self-resignation to nothingness in harmony’s wake.
 
masculinity is necessary, so many men (especially younger men) are faggots these days.

however, your masculinity should not be fragile nor toxic, having to prove that you are masculine or vice versa (muh manly hobbies) means you are a closeted faggot who is covertly trying to get approval from other men
 
masculinity is necessary, so many men (especially younger men) are faggots these days.

however, your masculinity should not be fragile nor toxic, having to prove that you are masculine or vice versa (muh manly hobbies) means you are a closeted faggot who is covertly trying to get approval from other men
true but thats all your gonna get is attention from other men
never women
 
true but thats all your gonna get is attention from other men
never women
I feel like women are still deep down attracted to masculinity, they virtue signal that they want emotional, down to earth men but deep down they crave someone who is more blunt, stoic and goal oriented.

obviously, its futile without meeting looks thresholds but how on earth is a soycuck gonna appeal to a woman? theres a reason why alpha fux beta bux exists, effeminate men are simply great for friendships, marriages and other non sexual endeavors
 

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