Blackpill Free will is just an illusion.

[Lifeisbullshit95]

You see, fellow sufferer... free will is an illusion. Your actions, indeed, You can control them right? But try. You will soon see that you do what you must.


You think you can act according to your will but.You know your will only after you have acted. You see everything is predetermined.


The universe has laws and you are not an exception. Every living organism is devoid of free will and is compelled by an infinitude of external influences prompting them into action. Every act that a living organism performs from conception to death are governed by external effects. powers, laws.

You see, humans are completely ignorant of the constant dependency on their environment. Humans have to realize that all their actions are purely mechanical motions caused by visual impressions, directly or indirectly received through their sensory organs.

You see, we are just waves in time and space, changing continuously, and the illusion of individuality is produced through the concatenation of the rapidly succeeding phases of existence. What we define as likeness is merely the result of the symmetrical arrangement of molecules that compose our body.

 

[Incelius Savage]

No, not me.

 

[Klouzi]

Determinism

 

[Betrayed]

Disagree

 

[Ahnfeltia]

I agree that free will is an illusion, but your argument seems flimsy IMHO

 

[Man]

If I can't tell it's an illusion what difference does it make

 

[Ahnfeltia]

If I can't tell it's an illusion what difference does it make

Practically very little, but theoretically it can make a difference. Consider e.g. the concept of blame. Can someone truly be blamed for their actions if they did not undertake them willingly? Free will being illusory could therefore change one's moral compass.

 

[Balding Subhuman]

I guess its kind of liberating to realise you are not in control actually

 

[Lifeisbullshit95]

Disagree

low iq.

 

[Lifeisbullshit95]

I agree that free will is an illusion, but your argument seems flimsy IMHO

Flimsy you say...
Show me your argument.

 

[Reclusemaxxer]

Disagree

If freewill is real then why can’t I change my DNA ?

 

[lifefuel]

If freewill is real then why can’t I change my DNA ?

lol

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Flimsy you say...
Show me your argument.

That would take a while. I've been entertaining the idea of making a thread about it for a while. I thought that around Christmas might be a good time because I'mma have nothing to do anyway. I can tag you if you'd like?

 

[Lifeisbullshit95]

That would take a while. I've been entertaining the idea of making a thread about it for a while. I thought that around Christmas might be a good time because I'mma have nothing to do anyway. I can tag you if you'd like?

I can't wait.

 

[happiless]

We can't, within our lifetimes at least, know if free will is an illusion or not. So if you act like its an illusion meaning that nothing matters meaning that you can LDAR until your parents die and then rope then that would be predetermined, but you might as well choose to try to moneymaxx or just rope now which would than be predetermined as well. But realizing free will isn't real means freedom from suffering? Freedom to do whatever you want without feeling bad? Sure then try getting naked, going outside and waving your dick around in public and then raping a random foid. It doesn't matter since free will isn't real and thereby nothing matters am I right? Except when you get arrested and punished for it by humans who believe free will is real, resulting in you physically feeling bad in jail. To survive on your own in society you need to act as if free will exists, so there's no point in even considering if free will is an illusion or not outside of scientific contexts. And I didn't write scientific/philosophical since philosophy is useless. With that in mind I'll have some more alcohol since free will isn't real

 

[Betrayed]

If freewill is real then why can’t I change my DNA ?

If free will is fake then why do I sometimes chose to eat chocolate yoghurt and sometimes vanilla?

 

[Glerforpus]

You think you can act according to your will but.You know your will only after you have acted. You see everything is predetermined

I mean I guess, but you can still act out your will in other ways that aren’t dictated by external forces, such as fasting or self mutilation

 

[Lifeisbullshit95]

If free will is fake then why do I sometimes chose to eat chocolate yoghurt and sometimes vanilla?

OMFG.
I don't even bother to explain. It's like explaining to a black kid from Africa who had never tasted chocolate before how chocolate taste. It's pointless.

 

[ResidentHell]

Agreed OP. Some things it seems humans are unable to control, irrespective of the strength of their "willpower" or "determination"

Like starvation when deprived of food, dehydration when deprived of water, releasing organic waste and bodily fluids, being grounded by force of gravity, being visible in a lit environment, change in body temperature when exposed to a hotter or colder environment, dying etc

 

[Lifeisbullshit95]

Agreed OP. Some things it seems humans are unable to control, irrespective of the strength of their "willpower" or "determination"

Like starvation when deprived of food, dehydration when deprived of water, releasing organic waste and bodily fluids, being grounded by force of gravity, being visible in a lit environment, change in body temperature when exposed to a hotter or colder environment, dying etc

Let me give you some food for your mind.

If we have "free will" that means we can change the present moment right?
But without external factors, you can't change shit.

And the question arises...

Who's making decisions here you or the present moment?
Who's making decisions here really?

If you say that you can make the decisions that means it's false because you cannot change the present moment by thinking in the future or thinking in the past because you just have lost the present moment.

Basically the present moment decides for you. Actually YOU that you call YOU is omnipresent because YOU is the present moment. The present moment decides for you but if you think deeper you will gonna see that in reality no one makes decisions because everything flows by itself.

And this is for low iq humans.

Everthing in this universe is energy.
And you as energy you cannot control the energy because you're energy. You got it?

One more for the women.

Water cannot control the water.
Energy cannot control the energy
You got it?

Everthing is. No one makes any decisions because in reality there's no individuals because everthing is one or everthing is energy. When I say One humans think of a powerful being but I meant energy.

It's wonderful to believe that you have free will. I choose to believe that there's free will to not fuck up with my sanity but in reality there's no such a thing as free will just the illusion. Just the belief.

It's over.

 

[kaan]

Lack of free will is an NPC trait. I do agree that the vast majority of the people on earth are merely reacting to their environment- like cockroaches. How society reacted to covid made me realize that.

But I'm not one of them. I know I'm capable of making decisions and that they are of my own free will.

 

[ResidentHell]

If we have "free will" that means we can change the present moment right?
But without external factors, you can't change shit.

And the question arises...

Who's making decisions here you or the present moment?
Who's making decisions here really

Exactly. Time has priority over choice; time precedes choice. The perception of choice is enabled by existence of motion. It relates to the dilemma of Zeno's Paradox

Basically its impossible to determine whether "free will" truly exists in a motion-able or "timed" enviornment, because there would be pre-condition of "infinite steps in time" that you will have to cover before reaching the point where you make a choice

In line with Zeno Paradox, it would not be logical for "free will" to exist. Otherwise if "free will" really exists, it wouldn't be logically possible to actually fulfil any of your desires by exercising your "free will". Hence the "illusion of free will"

Basically the present moment decides for you. Actually YOU that you call YOU is omnipresent because YOU is the present moment. The present moment decides for you but if you think deeper you will gonna see that in reality no one makes decisions because everything flows by itself.

I also understand this. Everything happens in flow with time (or the illusion of time). Actions are enabled not by willpower, but by the environment where the existence of motion is possible (with life or lifeless object)

 

[Lifeisbullshit95]

Lack of free will is an NPC trait. I do agree that the vast majority of the people on earth are merely reacting to their environment- like cockroaches. How society reacted to covid made me realize that.

But I'm not one of them. I know I'm capable of making decisions and that they are of my own free will.

Probably you're inteligent but your IQ is low.

Dude for example if you say "I'm gonna eat my favorite meal tomorrow" that's not free will that's a past experience that you project in the future to experience that meal that you like. And your taste in that meal that you like was influenced by external factors. You don't decide. It's like saying "I'm deciding to like something" but you cannot decide to like something, you just like. So where is your decision? Who's deciding? Where's your free will?

There's no free will. You're whole life was driven by past experience that was decided in the present moment by the external factors. So the one who decided here was the present moment not YOU because there's no YOU because YOU cannot change the present moment because by changing the present moment requires to be present but you cannot make decisions by being present because requires to access your memories (past and future) in order to make a decision and that means you've lost the present moment and you didn't actually made that decision because decisions are made in a present moment.

So what's up?