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extending a bit on the rape demonization thread and introducing corporal punishment

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I try to avoid back to back posts in threads now, so instead of posting a new one in this background information thread https://incels.is/threads/the-reaso...re-legit-but-not-in-2019.160247/#post-3378342 I will simply make a new thread, seeing as the topic is dissociated enough from that thread as to warrant its own in any case.

I think caning and similar things are oftentimes superior punishments for rape than being locked up for decades or socially outcast. However, not necessarily forcing anyone to have that but just making it available as an option for them. I never raped or sexually assaulted at all, but feel that being severely beaten as a punishment would provide me equivalent deterrence as being locked up for quite some time, but be less of an inconvenience in many ways as well, and also less of an issue to the economy and general societal functioning. I think that is oftentimes more agreeable for everyone involved, even as many would see it as being barbaric I'm sure, and many others as not sufficient probably. Some people would likely develop masochism as a sort of defense to this punishment, or otherwise to put a pressure onto those intolerant of it by subjecting them to more disadvantageous alternatives by their immunity to it. I wonder if that is a sensible theory for the evolution of masochism. It predicts it would have arisen in a military setting most likely, as that was likely a punishment common in the military.

I think that is oftentimes fair, seeing as rape essentially constitutes violence against someone else, and theft from someone else, but can likely be made to be seen as just an unfortunate experience evolution caused females to endure, instead of as something requiring extensive time to psychologically recover from, especially as many females primarily suffer from the perceived harm to their reputations and the like, but that is more so a social issue causing that and corrected simply by reputation systems having this addressed in whichever internally valid way can be put forth as doing so, in the context of the group of neurotypicals, by putting things into the terms most dear to their moral sentiments and using valid social reasoning in their own materials to help them to understand, by taking their disintegrated thoughts that are to your perception incorrect, but working with the rules of their systems of such things toward forming in them the reason to modify their reputation system to minimize that effect of rape. This will be hardest to do in nations with strong Islam, but probably is quite feasibly in most of the western world.

With that social aspect of rape addressed it can likely oftentimes be made into what amounts to a violent assault, especially if it isn't itself also brought about by a violent assault especially, for otherwise it would be the same thing but twice done in my view. There is increased risk of things like pregnancy and disease spreading, but violent assaults carry a risk of death even if it isn't at all intended as a result of it, and more likely so than a rape that is minimally violent does. And I think it is fair as well to humiliate such people to a slight extent, but certainly nothing nearly as is the case currently, being more of a short term like effect than lasting for such hugely extended periods of time. I find it very interesting now that I think of it, how masochism is essentially an evolved resistance to these two classes of punishment, of violent force and social reputation damage.


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I also like having it be similar to DUI, which is actually quite dangerous and rightfully even more prohibited than it is, and far less validly socially acceptable than it is, where there are oftentimes rapidly escalating penalties starting rather lower but rapidly moving upwards, which seems fair to me given the relatively common nature of males raping or sexually assaulting, but still having some stronger discouragement for people egregiously or continuously ignoring such things, especially if any have developed masochism and rendered such things ineffective against them, seeing as I don't think people ought to be beaten to death to be made to suffer instead of have orgasms.

Using such corporal types of punishments also allows for them to be issued more rapidly, which is beneficial for everyone, seeing as it will decrease prevalence of raping the most as it is primarily the risk of punishment and not the severity of punishment that acts as a deterrent. Increasing risk of punishment and decreasing severity of punishment is both more just and effective from a criminological perspective. With such rape kit backlog it takes so long to process investigations that many people are never apprehended for ages even after being known to have raped, and will have substantial anxiety as well prior to being arrested, which is not even at all considered in terms of a persons punishment for crime, but can be substantially severe, and it is more fair to have everyone violating such laws punished with high probability but not particularly severely, which is with great success accomplished with such rapidly issued punishments.

Can probably reduce sadists risks of offending by letting them issue such things as well, which gives even those having desire for sadism expression with unwilling victims an outlet that can be socially approved of while it remains effective from masochists anyway. Even males with desire to rape females can probably get some relief from such a desire by beating adolescent male rapists as their punishments, which is still more agreeable for them than being brought through programs in many cases, and perhaps effective, but I suppose research ought be done on that matter as all others, seeing as the scientometric system is best adhered to in accordance with the preponderance of the evidence according to its scientometrics; as opposed to any given person having any say regarding any matter, for people say nonsense about those things they know nothing, and yet imagine themselves as knowing something, whereas the scientometric system is the only rational thing to have trust in, even as it is not without failures and must be protected as our most precious asset, even if the botnet zombies are taught their reputation systems, as they ought to be, and long live the botnet masters, and thank you for your fantastic work at balancing such things. I am so sorry for my calls for your death and such. I am very glad that it was you who brainwashed the government and seized control of the nation, seeing as I am sure you know who I am and yet have not yet killed me. May you long live in prosperity and trust in the most honest of intent of validity in my integration of you to the truth of actual reality as it exists according to our most precious asset of least failure in providing to us such revelations regarding the way of our existence.

Also, I think females can of course have a say in the matter, particularly in terms of case by case inputs from them, or otherwise from them as an anonymous group in the event of a rapist in a social or not more stranger like relationship with the female in question, to avoid unfairness by their relationship. However, I also like the previously unconstitutional University based systems, and am glad that the courts have been brainwashed into allowing this unconstitutional structure to stand nevertheless, for I find it to be particularly fairly used especially in providing a further way to increase the rate at which rape kits are processed and result in a equal dispersion of punishment by being able to faster process things, and also in providing typically substantially lesser and scholastic/career oriented punishments of slightly slowing down the progress of people, particularly useful for people who are not more beneficial by not being slowed down in such a way in terms of contributions of significance they can provide, which is merit based exceptionalism and not fair per se, but utilitarian and for the greater good nevertheless, so seemingly an agreeable exception for diverse perspectives.

Also, substitution theory has been scientifically established, and is foolish to not adhere to. The Sex Cult is in fact an establishment of religion, and one of the various themed fantasy worlds that the hypnotists must immediately cause to take a new form. Pornography of rape is valuable for reducing sexual victimization, and must be rendered legally accessible, as must sexual alternatives to raping such as regulated prostitution, which additionally reduces disease burden. Married women already receive governmental tax breaks for their married condition, and are thereby compensated for the disadvantage they suffer by their husbands' use of satellite whores, and adultery is typically grounds for a divorce in most religious systems in any case, with married females typically coming out ahead in such situations anyway, and that seems proper as it also impacts the husband negatively by such reputation system based neurotypical groupings.

I think most rapists and sexual assault behaviorists would likely be substantially deterred by such corporal punishments, at least for the foreseeable future until widespread masochism may render it useless. And also that most rapists would nevertheless prefer such a punishment, making it seemingly ideal to me when considering all the other things I said as well.
 
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Damn that's pretty interesting
 
Indeed, spanking schoolchildren for less egregious offenses is still legal in southern schools in the USA, and there are at least some images floating around that are seemingly intrinsically legal by being produced by the government itself already. So, I don't see why this ought not be extended on, or why it ought be seen as particularly taboo a notion even, given the similarity to existent things in modern USA. Which can be seen as barbaric and a throwback to the less civilized past, but which I believe to be oftentimes more agreeable to all involved parties when used in a penal system context particularly, with school being a place I find it a more ambiguous question for the sorts of things people get in trouble for not ending up with them being in the penal system. I'd probably have no or otherwise minimal spanking of normal schoolchildren, but it is hard to say, and as virtually always, much as I adhered to the previous constitution before accepting the botnet masters as a benevolent force, I defer fully to the scientometric systems until such time it seems like a bunch of fucking nonsense and of no value to anything or anybody, which is not currently the case regarding any topic to my knowledge; however, I am aware of the replication crisis and myriad failures of previous aspects of the scientific community, and am not a mindless science zealot, but with respect for the preponderance of the scientific evidence in accordance with its scientometrics over any other source of information than my own empirical observations with my understanding of various biases and propaganda techniques and the like, but I don't intend to go off on a tangent.

I would even suggest recording their punishments and having some humiliation from that for adolescent (and adult for that matter) males in cases of rape, as I fully believe to be fair, and even to their benefit versus being incarcerated in most cases, as well as providing about or nearly equivalent deterrence to being locked up for at least several months I feel, or even longer depending on what is actually done. I actually see it as a much more humane system, so long as it is properly functioning. However, I also simply have arousal to such materials, so could just be biased by evolution into imagining as much, and would need to see what the scientometric indices and literature have to say regarding such matters, for I almost certainly will acquiesce to such material, being aware of propaganda and the like getting into it, and replication crises, and all of its flaws, and yet still there is nothing stronger that could be said in support of something than it being supported by the preponderance of the evidence in accordance with the valid scientometric systems such as JCR Impact Factors, SJR Indicators, and H-indices.

However, I was substantially spanked and otherwise physically abused as a child, even as not to the most egregious of extents, and although such was never recorded to my knowledge, and I doubt it was, and not even sexualized to my knowledge, and I am not sure regarding that these days but never imagined otherwise for quite the longest time, and am without the slightest care today in either case, and I would far prefer for such imagery and video of me being beaten and the like to be available for anyone wanting to make use of it, for it has no effect whatsoever on me that I care about as far as I can tell anyway, and is in fact something nice I could do that would reduce such unwarranted things from occurring by functioning as a substitute, as well as is material that many enjoy in no different a way than gore, which is in fact vastly worse, featuring children being brutally murdered by cartels and their hearts ripped out, instead of being part of a humiliation process for rapist adolescents and as well a pain inducing process but in the context of being an even preferable punishment that is less overall interfering with a person's life, but still with justice for the harmed victim in a very directly equivalent way it seems to me, and particularly with the understanding that it is very common for all to be spanked to some extent so that such things ought not be seen as prone to inducing suicidal behaviors as they may be today because of the flawed reputation systems in relation to such matters. Ideal reputation systems would not penalize people for such things more than being some modest embarrassment that can be seen as having served numerous secondary benefits anyway.

Yet another benefit of that would be that such videos could be promoted the most heavily and made the most readily available, such that any such videos made without being part of the formalized system by which they come about, although they oughtn't be illegal for people viewing them and possessing them in my opinion and that of the scientometric system and modern human state of the art science regarding the matter, and although they can be to some extent illegal for distribution even, can be delineated away to protect the privacy of such people not wanting to share such things, while still having a source of them that is not overly damaging for those involved, and even beneficial for them in my opinion, as compared to wasting months doing programs that will be hard pressed to convince people anyway in my opinion. I certainly never believed in my mutated Synanon abomination to any extent that I have insight into, other than for the general pro-social message separate from the explicitly Synanon like indoctrination system, and was intent on maintaining my connection to the true reality despite all attempts to cause me to reference the false reality. I also hated such programs and would have far preferred being publicly lashed, even as having no desire to experience such and being about equivalently deterred by it, or slightly less because of it being less an inconvenience, but nearly so because of lacking desire for being lashed and modestly humiliated even as well.

I think that is quite fair really, for it punishes a person in a way that can be made nonsexual but has somewhat of a similarity to it to being actually raped, even as I am not entirely sure having never been raped and would defer to people having been raped and beaten, and at least in essence is the same way of causing them experience a painful distress of fitness and accompanying humiliation, yet also in a way that can substitute for unfairly causing such to others, by allowing those abiding by the rules of the system instead of cheating the rules as rapists ultimately are doing, to be rewarded at the expense of the rapist, but it is their rightful reward for having not cheated as well, and reduces the prevalence of cheating, without being cruel and even being almost certainly more agreeable for most people given such an option as an alternative to other things.
 
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My view on punishment is essentially that if simply done for the sake of punishment, i.e retributivism, eye for an eye, it is always irrational and bad. I accept full utilitarianism at this point, I think all ethics boil down to trying to avoid harm and harm is all that can be in any way described as something bad – the sensation itself. It's bad when the victim is raped because it generates negative sensation, so is it bad when the rapist gets raped in prison for the exact same reason, there's no rational distinction.

It's done outside of defense and generally for the fleeting pleasure of angry mobs that want to lynch rapists for irrational reasons, I think the punitive-minded generally are susceptible to irrational thought patterns like nepotism and susceptibility to halo effect, therefore believe it to be bad to harm feeling organisms for the wrong reasons, i.e. I only see this rape as bad because it happens to a cute and pretty girl I myself want to rape on some level, so therefore, it's bad when she gets raped, but it's not bad when the rapist gets raped in prison because he's an ugly rapist creep (although in reality of course, it is bad simply because it creates bad sensations, that is what badness means).

If you want to put Ted Bundy on the electric chair for the purpose of jerking off to it, then so do you grant him the right to justify continuing raping and killing women for the purpose of jerking off to it. ''What if he raped your sister? You'd want him dead too!'' such people would argue, ok, and so if you were the rapist, then you'd want to rape too, wanting something doesn't mean it's good to go through with it.

So I reject punishment simply for the sake of punishment, retributivism as delusional, backward, regressive behavior, the only good point would be deterrence. If of course it were a simple matter of kill 1, save 1000 from extreme torture, then it's best to kill 1, but the problem with crime and punishment I think is that it's usually not that simple either.

Detainment is still deterrence first off, then you have to make sure you're preventing more harm than you're causing (i.e the punishment, or rather deterrence mechanism fits the crime, I wouldn't accept chopping hands off for a sack of potatoes being stolen), then you also don't know what exactly you're causing the potential criminal to do by the deterrence mechanism as every potential criminal has slightly different preferences.

So let's say we start sticking broomsticks up the assholes of rapists. Rapist 1 one stops raping because he wouldn’t like to experience that. Low IQ rapist 2 with poor impulse control just jizzes on her belly instead of her pussy next time and runs away in disorientation. Rapist 3 is pissed off for first being denied the pussy he wanted and now threatened with torture for righteously taking what he considers his property, these whores must be brought to justice. Rapist 4 is in addition to being a sadistic rapist also a masochist who wouldn’t necessarily mind having a broomstick shoved up his ass. Rapist 5 gets an adrenaline rush from the fact that we now stick broomsticks up people’s asses for raping, that makes the whole rape game and trying not to get caught even more exciting.

So for all intents and purposes, I'm in practice against causing more harm to someone after they have already been stopped from causing harm, and reject notions of retributivism of punishing someone just for the sake of harming them as primitive and barbaric.

Generally countries like Norway that focus on rehabilitation over punishment seem to have lower crime rates, so I'm tending towards thinking that using violence and humiliation tactics to deter is a bad idea, if not, I'd have to see some kind of clear cut evidence for the particular situation we are talking about, it certainly doesn't seem as simple to me as just saying ''let's torture this person, this will automatically stop crime''.

I think everyone kind of rationalizes what they want to do on some level, so a reason I could think of why threatening violence might not work is because many criminals believe they're justified in what they're doing, therefore only get angrier if you threaten them for what they want to do, maybe you threaten a rapist who considers every vagina on earth his private property with torture and he only becomes angrier as a result of it, wanting to rape even more, whereas if we just threatened him with a debate about whether or not said vaginas should be considered his private property in a 5 star hotel room, he'd turn himself in.

The average human is also under immense optimism bias at all times which originally encouraged competitiveness, that seems to be the evolutionary benefit, so although althroughout human history we threatened criminals with torture, they still somehow came to the conclusion that chances are, they're never going to get caught, then got caught, tortured to death and other criminals still committed crimes thinking they're never going to get caught.
 
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