Serious Every reason I have to not have kids/start a family is selfish and I DONT CARE

[Zyros]

You usually see the "childfree" people putting excuses like "overpopulation" "bring an innocent creature to this world to suffer" " my family has a history of illness" and other allehedly selfless reasons. This is massive cuckery.

All the reasons why I dont want to have kids are about ME and ME ONLY

Apart from my ideological reasons, hatred for mature and reproduction being the instinct of death I also openly admit irl that I dont want to have children because:
-I want more free time
-I dont want to work 173649 hours a week and be tied to a job/place
-I want to be able to be lazy if I want.
-I dont want unnecesary responsibility.
-I am the most important person in my life.
-I am selfish.

I openly admit all of those to irl people who ask me about my position on kids and dont give a flying fuck. Pretending to be some selfless cuck who is sacrificing his "legacy" for the greater good is stupid and soy as hell.

As I say, I only have one life and I am not gonna waste it by being a provider/preparing my replacement.

I liked childfree forums and places until they got filled by those soycucks that think they are saints doing a missiong for the greater good by sacrificing their potential offspring, like if they need to justify the decision of not procreating, like if that life path was wrong.

 

[takERisks]

Well we don't have a choice anyway

 

[ItheIthe]

I agree with all these reasons. Also because i couldn't cope with mt daughter getting train run on her, id have to honor kill her. Also because i cant marry used garbage, which all women are.

Fuck sacrificing my time, money, and freedom just to raise some slut daughter and support my used up wife who will divorce me anyway.

 

[ICanOnlyFapToBDSM]

Legit, but what happens when your eggs dry up because you spent your youth riding the carousel?

 

[Zyros]

Legit, but what happens when your eggs dry up because you spent your youth riding the carousel?

wut. life decisions taken only bevause of ticking time are the worst.

"lets waste my youth because of a SLIM chance of living a bit better old age"-wisest decision ever sure.

 

[Deleted member 3291]

I would adopt a daughter and make her my wife if possible but it’s looked down by society

 

[DecayGuy]

It's just philosophy reasoning and psychological reasoning. Either way, i support childfree movement. No matter the reasoning the outcome is the same.

I would adopt a daughter and make her my wife if possible but it’s looked down by society

Some countries do make it easier to adopt than others?

 

[TheHaircutBrother]

Not everyone here has the option of having kids Mr. Zyros. I would love to have a daughter with my eye area.

 

[Zyros]

I would adopt a daughter and make her my wife if possible but it’s looked down by society

Wanting a wife is also cuckery and chaining yourself. Everyone who I know who started families/settled down look like shadows of their former selves.

Not everyone here has the option of having kids Mr. Zyros. I would love to have a daughter with my eye area.

I am talking in a hypothetical setting where everyone could

 

[Grotesque]

At least my reasons aren't selfish. That's good.

 

[Deleted member 3291]

Wanting a wife is also cuckery and chaining yourself. Everyone who I know who started families/settled down look like shadows of their former selves.

I wouldn’t mind that

 

[Welcumtotherealworld]

Zyros you have a male model tier face, move to europe. Face matters most here.

 

[tulasdanslos]

Zyros you have a male model tier face, move to europe. Face matters most here.

His face is only average and he already lives in Spain, which is part of Europe-

 

[Anger]

I fucking hate kids, everytime i see a kid i want to punch him in the face and kick him in the stomach.

 

[Zyros]

At least my reasons aren't selfish. That's good.

"at least my reasons aren't selfish"

Explain why mine are objectively wrong in any way.

 

[Grotesque]

"at least my reasons aren't selfish"

Explain why mine are objectively wrong in any way.

Because you're attractive and I'm ugly.

 

[Zyros]

Because you're attractive and I'm ugly.

This discussion doesnt take looks into account, only willingness and non "can/cant" reasons.

 

[mylifeistrash]

> being under 6'4
> having kids

 

[Zyros]

> being under 6'4
> having kids

Yet another cucked selfless reason.

 

[Mahlo]

How is not having a child selfish? No one is harmed by the child's non-existence.

It's not like your kid is waiting out there in the spirit world WAITING for you to make it so it can enjoy life

 

[Jockcel]

Antinatalism is the biggest incel cope, if you don't pass on your genes some nigger will, 50 times. To be an objectively successful male, you HAVE to pass on your genes, the more biological children you have, the more successful you are. Only losers don't reproduce.

 

[Zyros]

How is not having a child selfish? No one is harmed by the child's non-existence.

It's not like your kid is waiting out there in the spirit world WAITING for you to make it so it can enjoy life

I dont mean selfish with the world. I rman thwt none of the reasons is based on altruism

Antinatalism is the biggest incel cope, if you don't pass on your genes some nigger will, 50 times. To be an objectively successful male, you HAVE to pass on your genes, the more biological children you have, the better.

Nature cuck cope. Legacy and genes dont have any objective meaning. Thr moment we have sentience our life dedtiny is no longer just reproduce. Life has no meaning or purpose.

 

[GeneticDysfunction]

How is not having a child selfish? No one is harmed by the child's non-existence.

It's not like your kid is waiting out there in the spirit world WAITING for you to make it so it can enjoy life

*what fucktarded normies believe*

 

[Russocel]

those soycucks that think they are saints doing a mission for the greater good by sacrificing their potential offspring

Leftists are so retarded same with the anti natalists on this regard

For every child they don't have, african villagers and bug Asians will have 10 more

 

[Zyros]

I fully agree. I can’t stand children. They’re horrible and will end up surpassing us. Child death to me is comedy and a necessity

The reason you don’t have kids is because you don’t have the chance.

You are wrong.

 

[Zyros]

fakecel?

Cannot disclosure, don't want another warning lol

 

[Colin]

Starting a family is not for everyone. It's definitely not for me, for one. Granted, I don't have the choice - but it's the biggest silver lining that comes with being the way I am.

 

[Spite]

fakecel?

It's Zyros you're talking to, obv he's not incel.

 

[Hunter]

having kids is selfish, especially if you have bad or average genes.
having kids is selfish, especially if you have bad or average genes.

 

[A10n3]

You usually see the "childfree" people putting excuses like "overpopulation" "bring an innocent creature to this world to suffer" " my family has a history of illness" and other allehedly selfless reasons. This is massive cuckery.

All the reasons why I dont want to have kids are about ME and ME ONLY

Apart from my ideological reasons, hatred for mature and reproduction being the instinct of death I also openly admit irl that I dont want to have children because:
-I want more free time
-I dont want to work 173649 hours a week and be tied to a job/place
-I want to be able to be lazy if I want.
-I dont want unnecesary responsibility.
-I am the most important person in my life.
-I am selfish.

I openly admit all of those to irl people who ask me about my position on kids and dont give a flying fuck. Pretending to be some selfless cuck who is sacrificing his "legacy" for the greater good is stupid and soy as hell.

As I say, I only have one life and I am not gonna waste it by being a provider/preparing my replacement.

I liked childfree forums and places until they got filled by those soycucks that think they are saints doing a missiong for the greater good by sacrificing their potential offspring, like if they need to justify the decision of not procreating, like if that life path was wrong.

How old are you OP ?
While I agree with every single one of your arguments regarding the hypocrisy of "soy boys childfree ideology", I have came to the conclusion you were somehow coping with the fact you actually wished you'd become father, because no amount of cope can cut with the great purposes of life which are making love and procreating.
And I've heard your argument about procreation + parenthood behing our mere instinct to counter death, I think you are even refering to what Schopenhauer would call "The world's will" in his book "The world of will and its representation".
He's pointing out that human's will to reproduce to perpetuate life is deeply implanted into our essency and serve no other purpose but the of "Nature's superior will".
Schopenhauer conclude by claiming that in order to counter the great will of Nature, we should stop making children.
Is this what you truly wish ?

 

[Zyros]

How old are you OP ?
While I agree with every single one of your arguments regarding the hypocrisy of "soy boys childfree ideology", I have came to the conclusion you were somehow coping with the fact you actually wished you'd become father, because no amount of cope can cut with the great purposes of life which are making love and procreating.
And I've heard your argument about procreation + parenthood behing our mere instinct to counter death, I think you are even refering to what Schopenhauer would call "The world's will" in his book "The world of will and its representation".
He's pointing out that human's will to reproduce to perpetuate life is deeply implanted into our essency and serve no other purpose but the of "Nature's superior will".
Schopenhauer conclude by claiming that in order to counter the great will of Nature, we should stop making children.
Is this what you truly wish ?

I never had the desire to become a father, ever. Family settled lifestyle always repulsed me.

Life has no purpose or meaning.

And yes, In a way, I want to counter nature too.

 

[June3cel2]

Well we don't have a choice anyway

This

 

[UBERCEL]

Well we don't have a choice anyway

The gay vampire OP does

 

[Zyros]

bump, remember not to wish to reproduce

 

[Deleted member 1042]

The two most common points I’ve seen:

- It can be difficult to predict the reaction your wife or yourself will have on bringing a kid to this world. I have seen many ppl get divorces or marriage becomes rocky as soon as the kid enters the picture. Much of it has to do with hormones and biology. The other has to do with lifestyle being impacted. Sex starts to take a hit, for instance.

- The kid could be ungrateful or simply sociopathic, unlovable. I have seen parents lament frustration of their unruly, disagreeable, stubborn child. I have also seen parents reveal they find their kid unlovable. For whatever reason, these parents lack the constitution for love.

So it becomes glaringly obvious why ppl reproduce. It is basically biology and existential terror.

 

[Deleted member 6626]

Good thread, OP and yes, I agree. I value my freedom and also happen to be a selfish git. Children can go fuck off to the pits of hell.

 

[Limerencel]

-I am selfish.

True selfishness is reproducing.

 

[Zyros]

True selfishness is reproducing.

Explain

 

[AmeriCel64]

Really don't want invest my life savings into children that might turn out gay/trans/SJW/degenerate and a foid that could easily divorce-rape me.

 

[Limerencel]

Explain

I am crafting a thread on it.
Short summary: All life has one goal: to achieve biological immortality. Our selfish genes build bodies around themselves to help them achieve this. These bodies are not immortal, they die after a few decades, so they get you to reproduce, and pass those genes on to new bodies, before the old one dies.

Your genes are chilling inside you right now, feeling ashamed about the thread you have written. Your genes are very disappointed in you.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Well we don't have a choice anyway

The girl in your avi is so hot

 

[takERisks]

I know I know

 

[Zyros]

I am crafting a thread on it.
Short summary: All life has one goal: to achieve biological immortality. Our selfish genes build bodies around themselves to help them achieve this. These bodies are not immortal, they die after a few decades, so they get you to reproduce, and pass those genes on to new bodies, before the old one dies.

Your genes are chilling inside you right now, feeling ashamed about the thread you have written. Your genes are very disappointed in you.

Life has no summary, no meaning, no objective purpose.

Also having offspring is NOT biological immortality. Don't ever compare stupid provider baton passing role with existing forevr as MYSELF.

My genes don't feel ashamed of anything, I am not a slave to my genes, and in addition I never feld paternal instinct. I value MYSELF over any other genetic kid cope.

 

[Deleted member 1042]

Also having offspring is NOT biological immortality. Don't ever compare stupid provider baton passing role with existing forevr as MYSELF.

I call it biological coping. You live vicariously through another (your genes) to cope with annihilation.

 

[BlackpilledTruecel]

agree on every point

 

[Limerencel]

Life has no summary, no meaning, no objective purpose.

You are not in touch with reality.

Also having offspring is NOT biological immortality.

I never said that. The goal of your genes is to achieve biological immortality. Whether it is obtainable or not, is irrelevant.

My genes don't feel ashamed of anything, I am not a slave to my genes

Gigacope

 

[Zyros]

You are not in touch with reality.

Explain why, don't just say "you are wrong" without any reason. Tell me what purpose and meaning life has.

I never said that. The goal of your genes is to achieve biological immortality. Whether it is obtainable or not, is irrelevant.

having kids to cope with immortality desire is like eating shit to cope for not having a steak.

Gigacope

Again, if you are gonna try to say im wrong, provide an explanation.

 

[Limerencel]

Explain why, don't just say "you are wrong" without any reason.

Fair enough. Lets retry.

Life has no summary, no meaning, no objective purpose.

Life has a very clinically observable purpose: to pass on genes with the goal of achieving biological immortality. Everything our genes programmed our bodies to do, is in aid of that goal. Pain, love, sex, feeling attracted to a 0.7 waist to hip ratio. Everything. There are some bugs (e.g. homosexuality) that are counter-productive to this goal.

My genes don't feel ashamed of anything, I am not a slave to my genes

You have nearly 3000 posts on an incel-forum, tring to come to terms with the fact that foids have excluded you from their sexual selection. That's okay, we're in the same boat. But at least I acknowledge what the purpose of life is, while you do not.
You are like the MGTOW of biology.

 

[Zyros]

Fair enough. Lets retry.


Life has a very clinically observable purpose: to pass on genes with the goal of achieving biological immortality. Everything our genes programmed our bodies to do, is in aid of that goal. Pain, love, sex, feeling attracted to a 0.7 waist to hip ratio. Everything. There are some bugs (e.g. homosexuality) that are counter-productive to this goal.

The fact that life has a goal biologically doesn't mean it has a purpose or meaning in the grand scheme of things. Ascending in the work ladder has the goal of attaining money and status, but is devoid of objective meaning too.

You have nearly 3000 posts on an incel-forum, tring to come to terms with the fact that foids have excluded you from their sexual selection. That's okay, we're in the same boat. But at least I acknowledge what the purpose of life is, while you do not.
You are like the MGTOW of biology.

Wrong assumption, this is not to cope with being excluded from sexual selection because thats not my particular condition. Its not a forced position and opinion but a voluntary and completely will-based one. No I am not like MTGOW of biology.

 

[Limerencel]

The fact that life has a goal biologically doesn't mean it has a purpose or meaning in the grand scheme of things. Ascending in the work ladder has the goal of attaining money and status, but is devoid of objective meaning too.

So you agree the meaning of life is reproduction. And the meaning of reproduction = nothing we can identify, it has no further meaning. But If you wanna take it that far, than there is no value in doing anything. Why not just rope now?

Wrong assumption, this is not to cope with being excluded from sexual selection because thats not my particular condition.

What is your condition then?