Blackpill Even marrying a 10/10 virgin of your preferred age and race over whom you'd have total authority in a traditional society would still be a sacrifice

[Mainländer]

To put things in perspective and demonstrate how bad men have it compared to women, even that scenario, which sounds like an ABSOLUTE DREAM compared to what the vast majority of men who aren't Chads can realistically get nowadays, would still be far tougher on men than on women.

-you'd have to work hard and support her and the kids
-you'd also have hard work teaching, punishing (when necessary) and disciplining her
-you'd have to curb your natural male higher sex drive and polygamous impulse - even with a 10/10 prime girl, after a while the desire to vary sexually would kick in
-she'd age; even in an extremely age-different arrangement, like you're 40 and she's 15 when you two marry, in 30 years you'd be 70 and she 45 (already sexually undesirable)
-divorce/remarrying wouldn't be acceptable in a traditional society, and even if you could do it, it wouldn't be with a young virgin again most likely

The woman, on the other hand, would be fully financially supported and live a simple life of household small obligations and kid rearing, her only true challenge being not opening her legs to other men, which is far easier for women because of their natural lower sex drive.

With the sui generis exception of 8+ Chads living in the degenerate modern west, who can deflower and sexually humiliate everyone's daughters with no consequences or responsibilities involved, a man's life is always tougher than a woman's life. Even being someone like Gengis Khan was would mean hard work commanding all of your armies and managing all your conquered tribes, as well as facing the extreme dangers of being viciously hated by so many people you conquered.

 

[Cuyen]

I'm ready to have these diffucults just give me my 10 gf

 

[Mainländer]

I'm ready to have these diffucults just give me my 10 gf

I wholeheartedly agree, that scenario would be, like I said, much better than what we have now. But this is a thought experiment to put things in perspective and show how bad men have it.

 

[Weed]

"ABSOLUTE DREAM" cope. Slaying is the absolute dream. If I was a chadlite-chad I would never get a gf.

 

[Mainländer]

"ABSOLUTE DREAM" cope. Slaying is the absolute dream. If I was a chadlite-chad I would never get a gf.

But wouldn't you agree that such scenario sounds like a dream compared to what we have now? I specified that being a Chad nowadays is even better.

 

[Cuyen]

I wholeheartedly agree, that scenario would be, like I said, much better than what we have now. But this is a thought experiment to put things in perspective and show how bad men have it.

Yes of course I agree with you. society put heavy things on our shoulders we HAVE to bear it thats why women have no right to say genders are equal

 

[Swiswis]

When my father married, my mother was 8/10 virgin and he did all what you said : educated her, be rude, be agressive if necessary, hard work, etc...

But

He kept her and he succeeded in life.

 

[InsanityIsThisWorld]

I would do it pretty scuffed but it could work. My 10/10 virgin gf could live in my room with me and it would work out and I would train her well

 

[Mainländer]

When my father married, my mother was 8/10 virgin and he did all what you said : educated her, be rude, be agressive if necessary, hard work, etc...

But

He kept her and he succeeded in life.

He's lucky af.

Aren't you gl considering your mom is 8/10? How would you rate yourself and your father?

 

[Weed]

But wouldn't you agree that such scenario sounds like a dream compared to what we have now? I specified that being a Chad nowadays is even better.

I dunno, well I would rather just have a gf than a wife tbh plus I would cringe if people saw me outside with a gf

 

[Mainländer]

I would cringe if people saw me outside with a gf

You're probably the biggest mentalcel on this site.

 

[Smallondick]

He woke up!!

 

[Weed]

You're probably the biggest mentalcel on this site.

Cope. I don't like people staring at me like "wtf is this subhuman doing

 

[Mainländer]

He woke up!!

Kek.

I fully agree that being a Chad is better than being a traditional husband even in the most patriarchal society imaginable, and it would surely be a dream to be able to become one if the cosmetic technology evolved wildly (which I don't think will happen within our lifetimes).

But I still think that living in a traditional society where you can realistically marry a young virgin and have authority over her is BY FAR the best possible scenario for average and lower men.

My biggest disagreement with anti-patriarchy cels is that they tend to imagine women, in that tradtional patriarchal scenario, behaving like they behave nowadays with betabuxx. Starfish sex, giving a lot of bullshit, nagging, divorceraping, etc. You fail to realize that NONE OF THESE WOULD BE POSSIBLE for her to do. They only do it because they can get away with it nowadays, just like most children wouldn't go to school if they weren't forced by parents and society to do it.

Not to mention how women are strongly bonded to the status quo, which would automatically make them behave a think differently if society were vastly different. We had, just a couple of decades ago, women doing things like voting for Hitler and being mostly ok with child prostitution, for example. Two things absolutely unthinkable for the bulk of western women nowadays.

Cope. I don't like people staring at me like "wtf is this subhuman doing

Understandable, but if you even consider that being enough of a reason for you to relinquish the opportunity of ascending, you're a nuclear mentalcel.

 

[Smallondick]

Kek.

I fully agree that being a Chad is better than being a traditional husband even in the most patriarchal society imaginable, and it would surely be a dream to be able to become one if the cosmetic technology evolved wildly (which I don't think will happen within our lifetimes).

But I still think that living in a traditional society where you can realistically marry a young virgin and have authority over her is BY FAR the best possible scenario for average and lower men.

My biggest disagreement with anti-patriarchy cels is that they tend to imagine women, in that tradtional patriarchal scenario, behaving like they behave nowadays with betabuxx. Starfish sex, giving a lot of bullshit, nagging, divorceraping, etc. You fail to realize that NONE OF THESE WOULD BE POSSIBLE for her to do. They only do it because they can get away with it nowadays, just like most children wouldn't go to school if they weren't forced by parents and society to do it.

Not to mention how women are strongly bonded to the status quo, which would automatically make them behave a think differently if society were vastly different. We had, just a couple of decades ago, women doing things like voting for Hitler and being mostly ok with child prostitution, for example. Two things absolutely unthinkable for the bulk of western women nowadays.

Understandable, but if you even consider that being enough of a reason for you to relinquish the opportunity of ascending, you're a nuclear mentalcel.

 

[StormlitAqua]

This is ridiculous. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Life will always be harder for men than women, it is the design of God. Woman was literally created to assist man and most importantly: keep him company. Women are not meant to lead, do heavy-lifting (in either a literal or figurative context), or be equal to men in an comparable way. I always see a weird duality here, where women are treated as lesser/weaker beings, as compliments-at-best to men (the correct view), but then we also require them to hold their own, treat them equally (thot audit, etc.). Women cannot be held to the same standards as men because they are not equal to men.

If you get a 10/10 virgin thot and you still find a way to complain, your problem runs deeper than being incel. Your 10/10 virgin thot who will homemake and be faithful is PERFECT in her design. If you are not satisfied with a faithful virgin good looking woman, I recommend quitting porn and joining the Christian church, because at this point there's no way just a woman would solve this problem.

There is no Heaven on Earth. Life will have problems no matter what. If you find a way to complain being in a better situation that 99%+ of men, I pity you. I also pity you if you think it is better to be a chad than to have a 10/10 virgin faithful wife.

 

[texascurrycel]

Best of all, be chad. No consequence sex, move from mistress to mistress and wife stays with you, screw companies and society out of billions of dollars and you are rewarded with promotion and can even be president one day, ascend naturally in the hierarchy of society.
Second best, be a beta with the ability to control a woman in a monogamous relationship, where you are valued even if you are just a worker bee. This is the scenario increasingly denied to men which is why we move to revolutionary times.
Third best, be ugly but be able to see an escort every now and then. Maybe you have kids, maybe not. Probably take a cynical or nihilistic view of society. This is the category I am ascending to.

Worst: be incel with no hope. And yes, we have existed throughout history. Just the truth.

 

[Deleted member 677]

Cope

 

[diogenes]

Cope

This. Biggest cope I've ever witnessed.

 

[Swiswis]

He's lucky af.

Aren't you gl considering your mom is 8/10? How would you rate yourself and your father?

At 25 he was 7/10
At 30 during wedding, 6/10 but phd gratuated and self made man, so my mother knew he would be a great betabuxer
Just note that another man wanted to marry my mother so my dad had to compete with him...and he won.
I rate myself as 7/10 face and 5/10 body

 

[Wolfgang Grimmer]

"ABSOLUTE DREAM" cope. Slaying is the absolute dream. If I was a chadlite-chad I would never get a gf.

You are a chad-lite in Asia, boyo.

 

[StormlitAqua]

I rate myself as 7/10 face and 5/10 body

I am somewhat of a sub-8 theorist, but if you really are 7/10 facially, you'd likely be volcel or just very blackpilled and only date virgins or something of the like (which I respect greatly). In my better estimation though: I'd bet you're not close to the 7/10 you claim to be. Do some introspection. I used to think I was a 6, but then reaching 23-1/2 while still being a virgin, I realized that being a 6 couldn't possibly be the case.

"ABSOLUTE DREAM" cope. Slaying is the absolute dream. If I was a chadlite-chad I would never get a gf.

You are a chad-lite in Asia, boyo.

You are a escortcel in Asia, boyo.

 

[Wolfgang Grimmer]

Would rather be able to bang 3 8/10 hookers every week or marrying a 13y 10/10 white jb?

I am somewhat of a sub-8 theorist, but if you really are 7/10 facially, you'd likely be volcel or just very blackpilled and only date virgins or something of the like (which I respect greatly). In my better estimation though: I'd bet you're not close to the 7/10 you claim to be. Do some introspection. I used to think I was a 6, but then reaching 23-1/2 while still being a virgin, that being a 6 couldn't possibly be the case.



You are a escortcel in Asia, boyo.

Me? Probably. Weed got 3k matches in Thai. He mogs ItsOver(not by much) and ItsOver is slaying jbs right now.

 

[StormlitAqua]

Me? Probably. Weed got 3k matches in Thai. He mogs ItsOver(not by much) and ItsOver is slaying jbs right now.

No, any white man looking for an easy way out trying to cheat their genetics and/or our degenerate western society. Getting a match in asia is just a roundabout way of seeing an escort; For all western men. They don't want you for your looks. They don't want you because they think you'll be a good husband. They don't want you because they want to love a man in the most Christ-like way possible...

They want your status, they want your money, and they want your passport. They get status from their family and friends from being with missa waiyte man, they get your money because you clownishly give it to glorified prostitutes, and then to top it off, you being them back to the USA and they cuck you for a better looking man, which was their ultimate goal.

You will surely counter with but I'm going there to have casual sex, in which i say it's much cheaper and easier to get a prostitute in USA then get a plane ticket to some shithole you might not return from. Don't be a clown, don't fall for the JBW meme.

 

[micropenis29]

This is why, ultimately, transhumanism and futurarchy is the only hope for men.

 

[Swiswis]

I am somewhat of a sub-8 theorist, but if you really are 7/10 facially, you'd likely be volcel or just very blackpilled and only date virgins or something of the like (which I respect greatly). In my better estimation though: I'd bet you're not close to the 7/10 you claim to be. Do some introspection. I used to think I was a 6, but then reaching 23-1/2 while still being a virgin, I realized that being a 6 couldn't possibly be the case.



You are a escortcel in Asia, boyo.

Virginity for a man is not correlated with face/body but with courage. I know a 29 yo Chad who has never been single. His brother is the same (same face, same body, same all) and is 27 and Ive never seen him with a girl, and he never speak about it. He is a "son of his mother" (we say it in French) and surely very shy or something like this, while his brother is a big slayer who showed his dick everywhere...

 

[Mainländer]

This is ridiculous. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Life will always be harder for men than women, it is the design of God. Woman was literally created to assist man and most importantly: keep him company. Women are not meant to lead, do heavy-lifting (in either a literal or figurative context), or be equal to men in an comparable way. I always see a weird duality here, where women are treated as lesser/weaker beings, as compliments-at-best to men (the correct view), but then we also require them to hold their own, treat them equally (thot audit, etc.). Women cannot be held to the same standards as men because they are not equal to men.

If you get a 10/10 virgin thot and you still find a way to complain, your problem runs deeper than being incel. Your 10/10 virgin thot who will homemake and be faithful is PERFECT in her design. If you are not satisfied with a faithful virgin good looking woman, I recommend quitting porn and joining the Christian church, because at this point there's no way just a woman would solve this problem.

There is no Heaven on Earth. Life will have problems no matter what. If you find a way to complain being in a better situation that 99%+ of men, I pity you. I also pity you if you think it is better to be a chad than to have a 10/10 virgin faithful wife.

I agree with most of what you've said but I still think being a Chad nowadays tops being an average or lower man in that scenario.

Chad can get anything without any consequences for it. You can fuck 500 gorgeous prime girls and then choose your favorite to become your wife if you get bored of promiscuity.

Also, I wouldn't consider myself an incel or complain anymore if I were the guy on that scenario, I'm just saying that being Chad is even better and men have it tougher then women no matter what (exception being Chad nowadays). But we agree on that.

This. Biggest cope I've ever witnessed.

How?

At 25 he was 7/10
At 30 during wedding, 6/10 but phd gratuated and self made man, so my mother knew he would be a great betabuxer
Just note that another man wanted to marry my mother so my dad had to compete with him...and he won.
I rate myself as 7/10 face and 5/10 body

Are you a mentalcel or things are just that tough in Switzerland?

 

[Kirito3]

To put things in perspective and demonstrate how bad men have it compared to women, even that scenario, which sounds like an ABSOLUTE DREAM compared to what the vast majority of men who aren't Chads can realistically get nowadays, would still be far tougher on men than on women.

-you'd have to work hard and support her and the kids
-you'd also have hard work teaching, punishing (when necessary) and disciplining her
-you'd have to curb your natural male higher sex drive and polygamous impulse - even with a 10/10 prime girl, after a while the desire to vary sexually would kick in
-she'd age; even in an extremely age-different arrangement, like you're 40 and she's 15 when you two marry, in 30 years you'd be 70 and she 45 (already sexually undesirable)
-divorce/remarrying wouldn't be acceptable in a traditional society, and even if you could do it, it wouldn't be with a young virgin again most likely

The woman, on the other hand, would be fully financially supported and live a simple life of household small obligations and kid rearing, her only true challenge being not opening her legs to other men, which is far easier for women because of their natural lower sex drive.

With the sui generis exception of 8+ Chads living in the degenerate modern west, who can deflower and sexually humiliate everyone's daughters with no consequences or responsibilities involved, a man's life is always tougher than a woman's life. Even being someone like Gengis Khan was would mean hard work commanding all of your armies and managing all your conquered tribes, as well as facing the extreme dangers of being viciously hated by so many people you conquered.

All of these things are very easy to do. Having a relationship is a huge motivator.

 

[GoonCel]

Slaying is the absolute dream

 

[Weed]

Kek.

I fully agree that being a Chad is better than being a traditional husband even in the most patriarchal society imaginable, and it would surely be a dream to be able to become one if the cosmetic technology evolved wildly (which I don't think will happen within our lifetimes).

But I still think that living in a traditional society where you can realistically marry a young virgin and have authority over her is BY FAR the best possible scenario for average and lower men.

My biggest disagreement with anti-patriarchy cels is that they tend to imagine women, in that tradtional patriarchal scenario, behaving like they behave nowadays with betabuxx. Starfish sex, giving a lot of bullshit, nagging, divorceraping, etc. You fail to realize that NONE OF THESE WOULD BE POSSIBLE for her to do. They only do it because they can get away with it nowadays, just like most children wouldn't go to school if they weren't forced by parents and society to do it.

Not to mention how women are strongly bonded to the status quo, which would automatically make them behave a think differently if society were vastly different. We had, just a couple of decades ago, women doing things like voting for Hitler and being mostly ok with child prostitution, for example. Two things absolutely unthinkable for the bulk of western women nowadays.

Understandable, but if you even consider that being enough of a reason for you to relinquish the opportunity of ascending, you're a nuclear mentalcel.

The real reason is that I am omega and nobody wants me anyway. If I ascend into a slayer through surgeries I will most likely get a gf, but that's if I ascend.

You are a chad-lite in Asia, boyo.

True, so are everyone who is 4/10, Thailand basically adds 3 PSL points to your face

 

[Honeypot]

Virginity for a man is not correlated with face/body but with courage. I know a 29 yo Chad who has never been single. His brother is the same (same face, same body, same all) and is 27 and Ive never seen him with a girl, and he never speak about it. He is a "son of his mother" (we say it in French) and surely very shy or something like this, while his brother is a big slayer who showed his dick everywhere...

shhhh shut up bro you will get banned, don't ever say things like that here be careful of the chajd

 

[StormlitAqua]

I agree with most of what you've said but I still think being a Chad nowadays tops being an average or lower man in that scenario.

So you have come this far, and still you understand nothing. - Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

You have to come to a realization that male hypergamy amongst the higher tier of men is part of the problem. Is it as significant as that of the woman's? Of course not, but it is still a portion of the problem that created incels and the wonky SMV imbalance we have right now.
Think about it, you're a good looking guy whom can have sex with 500 women. Are all of them your looksmatch or above? If you are Chad, then absolutely not. You are a male, you have testosterone, you find different things about women attractive (unlike women, whom only find a select few things about men attractive). You will likely fuck a 4/10 whom has huge knockers. You might fuck a nice face but fat woman. Point I'm trying to make is, you will fuck below your SMV, therefor enabling women to feel like they are entitled to men above theirs.

Additionally, by having extramarital sex, you are encouraging branch swinging, whoring, and other forms of female mate selection that I compare to "staring Satan straight in the eyes". This sets society into imbalance, creating problems far outside the relationship realm, and enters the political world. If you think abortion is annything but women looking for an additional power grab and ego boost, you're nuts. If they knew their place, they would not seek to kill children. But chads whom do not stay chaste like their wife give mindless ego trips to women whom cannot control it.

The only true path to fixing the incel problem is looksmatched virgins for all men and women. I understand you make think that being one of these Chads that get all the women is better, but what your doing is helping create incels. Chad may get sex, but does he get the love that two virgins share in Christ? I have my doubts. Chad gets the love described by the greek word "Eros" (where the word "erotic" comes from), while virgin men get love (from virgin women only obviously) as described by the greek word "Agape" (meaning love through hard work, dedication, sacrifice, etc.).

 

[Mainländer]

So you have come this far, and still you understand nothing. - Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

You have to come to a realization that male hypergamy amongst the higher tier of men is part of the problem. Is it as significant as that of the woman's? Of course not, but it is still a portion of the problem that created incels and the wonky SMV imbalance we have right now.
Think about it, you're a good looking guy whom can have sex with 500 women. Are all of them your looksmatch or above? If you are Chad, then absolutely not. You are a male, you have testosterone, you find different things about women attractive (unlike women, whom only find a select few things about men attractive). You will likely fuck a 4/10 whom has huge knockers. You might fuck a nice face but fat woman. Point I'm trying to make is, you will fuck below your SMV, therefor enabling women to feel like they are entitled to men above theirs.

Additionally, by having extramarital sex, you are encouraging branch swinging, whoring, and other forms of female mate selection that I compare to "staring Satan straight in the eyes". This sets society into imbalance, creating problems far outside the relationship realm, and enters the political world. If you think abortion is annything but women looking for an additional power grab and ego boost, you're nuts. If they knew their place, they would not seek to kill children. But chads whom do not stay chaste like their wife give mindless ego trips to women whom cannot control it.

The only true path to fixing the incel problem is looksmatched virgins for all men and women. I understand you make think that being one of these Chads that get all the women is better, but what your doing is helping create incels. Chad may get sex, but does he get the love that two virgins share in Christ? I have my doubts. Chad gets the love described by the greek word "Eros" (where the word "erotic" comes from), while virgin men get love (from virgin women only obviously) as described by the greek word "Agape" (meaning love through hard work, dedication, sacrifice, etc.).

I absolutely agree that being a Chad and slaying 500 girls is not something moral or good for society. I admit I changed my opinion on this with time here, thanks mostly to @Leucosticte (who made the point that Chads should only be deflowering the girls they're willing to commit to) and now you with your very interesting post.

I previously lacked criticism for Chads due to personal bias caused by empiricism. All Chads and Chadlites I've ever met were absolute bros to me. I've had Chadlites trying to make women kiss and fuck me, several times.

I think Chads and Chadlites, just like women, due to not having it nearly as tough as we incels have, don't dedicate time to thinking thoroughly and discussing about such matters like we do here all the time. So I think the realization that they are fucking other men over by fucking tons of girls, most specifically deflowering virgins who they won't commit to, don't really occur to most of them.

I still think female hypergamy, which results from them being sexually and financially liberated (not only liberated but sexually subsidized - welfare to single moms, etc - and pushed into the workforce - paid maternity leave, quotas, etc - , really) is a bigger problem. The root problem IMO, because curbing Chads wouldn't solve the problem but curbing women and forcing them to marry one guy (and be faithful and obedient to him) would.

As for my preference of being a Chad even though I know all of this, as well as my visions of love, well, I differ from you in my opinions about both because I'm not religious. I have been watching lots of Catholic videos in an impulse to try to be more religious and get a sense of purpose/comfort, but tbh, all I get is terror. If God really will send most people to burn eternally this is desperation-inducing (@Fontaine used to talk about such things a lot), but it would be also be pretty dumb to follow such a strict religion if it weren't true/there weren't any God. I honestly don't know and get confused and overwhelmed by all of this.

I don't really think true romantic love exists. I have more nihilistic/Darwinian/Gnostic views on that - romantic love is nothing but looks, injustice and ruthless competition. This much is very clear to me when looking at the world. So I'd naturally prefer deflowering 500 gorgeous prime-aged women and settle with my favorite if sexual hedonism got boring. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that only after doing something like that I (I can speak for other people) would be really able to settle, be faithful and not look back. Or else I would always get sad and longing for having had more experiences (marrying NOW with a satisfactory virgin girl would still top being an incel anyway, of course).

In fact, Christianity's views on love and marriage are one of the main things that dishearten me about converting. It sounds bluepilled as fuck, no offense.

As for fucking many girls being a contributing factor to inceldom, even though I wholeheartedly agree, I don't think the heavy conscience I'd get from it would prevent me from doing it anyway. For example, I fully accept porn is something bad, but I'm still willing to use it because I have no other viable options (going to escorts is not something I want to do as frequently as my sex drive would demand) and I'm already hooked. I'm glad I do it instead of doing drugs tbh, because it's free at least.

Also, as long as women are sexually and financially free, it won't be me not fucking girls that will make any real difference, so whatever. If I had a chance to fuck 500 prime girls I'd do it in a heartbeat. Sorry bros, but I'm desperate and I would really enjoy having such experience.

 

[Swiswis]

I agree with most of what you've said but I still think being a Chad nowadays tops being an average or lower man in that scenario.

Chad can get anything without any consequences for it. You can fuck 500 gorgeous prime girls and then choose your favorite to become your wife if you get bored of promiscuity.

Also, I wouldn't consider myself an incel or complain anymore if I were the guy on that scenario, I'm just saying that being Chad is even better and men have it tougher then women no matter what (exception being Chad nowadays). But we agree on that.


How?


Are you a mentalcel or things are just that tough in Switzerland?

Half volcel

 

[Swiswis]

I agree with most of what you've said but I still think being a Chad nowadays tops being an average or lower man in that scenario.

Chad can get anything without any consequences for it. You can fuck 500 gorgeous prime girls and then choose your favorite to become your wife if you get bored of promiscuity.

Also, I wouldn't consider myself an incel or complain anymore if I were the guy on that scenario, I'm just saying that being Chad is even better and men have it tougher then women no matter what (exception being Chad nowadays). But we agree on that.


How?


Are you a mentalcel or things are just that tough in Switzerland?

Im not mentalcel.
In my area there are a lot of foreigners (from Portugal, France, Albania/Kosovo, Italy...).
Having a bf is not the education that most swiss girls received (except of divorced parents) and its the foreigners who date a lot. These foreigner follow the american student model (having macbook, iphone, coffee, skinny jeans, FB, insta, snapchat and so on) but the swiss girls in my school dont do this a lot.

Its all about education of the parents

 

[Deleted member 4159]

High iq

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

you're right, it was lopsided to begin with, but that wasn't good enough, so it had to be made grotesquely unfair, now men will just check out

 

[Deleted member 60]

LDAR fuel

I dunno, well I would rather just have a gf than a wife tbh plus I would cringe if people saw me outside with a gf

tbhngl