Discussion Europe vs America dilema

[hghcel]

Lately on the internet ive seen lots of Europeans and Americans cope about "how much better Europe is"


now I know most of you dont mean EA so for the sake of this discussion only rich European countries will be used as examples.
This thread is not made to trash Europeans.

(for Italy we are only discussing North Italy.)

What is considered better? Ur INDIVIDUAL QUALITY of life which is in my opinion determined based on the opportunities and the salary a country can give YOU also other things like safety, affordability etc.

US Taxes vs Europes taxes

Us salaries vs European salaries

US Salaries
The Takeaway. The average annual average salary in the U.S. is $63,795. The median annual salary, which is often less skewed by outlying numbers, is $59,384. It's worth noting that average and median salaries vary quite a bit by state. For this reason we will mainly talk about the most popular states
The average salary in California is around $76,960 per year.
The average salary in Texas is around $65,024 per year.
The average annual salary in Florida is around $63,762
The average annual salary in New York is approximately $78,624
In 2023, the average annual pay for employees in Illinois was $74,632,

European salaries
In 2023, the average annual salary for full-time workers in the UK was around £34,963, with the median salary being £35,464.
n 2024, the average gross annual salary in France was approximately €39,800, which translates to around €3,316 per month
The average wage in Italy is around €32,450. (i couldnt find anything about north italy only unfortunately.)
In Austria, the average gross annual salary for full-time employees is around €51,000 (or €4,250 monthly), with Vienna offering the highest salaries at around €56,980 annually.
The average annual salary in Switzerland is roughly CHF 100,000 to CHF 106,000, or around $110,000 to $116,000 USD.
n 2023, the average gross monthly salary in Germany was approximately €4,323, translating to roughly €51,876 annual
n the Netherlands, the average gross annual salary was around €44,000 (or €3,666 per month) as of February 2024, with the median income being €39,100.

n 2022, the average gross monthly salary in Belgium for full-time employees was €4,076, which translates to an annual gross salary of approximately €48,912
The average annual salary in Denmark is roughly DKK 395,500 (approximately €53,000 or US$56,200) before taxes,
The average annual salary in Sweden is roughly SEK 481,200 (around $44,000 USD)
The average annual salary in Norway is roughly 668,400 Norwegian Krone (NOK) or about $55,700 USD per month, before taxes.
In 2024, the average monthly salary in Finland was approximately €4,032 (around $53,200 annually


What does that mean? In Europe you make far less money but at the same time u pay higher taxes, usually up to 50% of ur paycheck goes to taxes and im not just talking about income taxes this inludues the high sales tax etc. In italy u can easily pay up to 60-70% of ur paycheck to the state if ur a high earner and where does the money go to? U guessed it to refugees and foids.

But muuuh bro we got public healthcare
The average person in America pays $477 per month for marketplace health insurance as of 2024.
would u rather pay 500$ for insurance or 50% of ur paycheck every year? I get it if u sleep in the hospital or ur there everyday but most of u are not. European waitlist times are also significantly higher which leats many citizens of these countries having health insurances so they can see private doctors. Lets also not forget that in some European countries if ur car doesnt meet certain enviroment cucktection requirments u get to pay anywhere from 500-1000$ in fines every year to the gov which basically means u get a car tax (like a property tax). Higher energy prices are a problem too because of the "green energy" nonesense thats pushed around.

Not only is ur salary significantly lower and ur taxes are significantly higher but at the same time most of the tech europeans buy comes from the US so u get to pay US prices for everything that u buy. Lets not forget that most properties in Paris, Berlin etc can cost as much as properties in san francisco while getting a shit pay.

Also some other fun facts

companies founded by immigrants or their children in
2024 is 46%

Approximately 19% of architects and engineers in the U.S. are immigrants, and among the most highly educated STEM workforce, foreign-born representation is even higher, with nearly 60% of doctorate-level computer and mathematical scientists and engineers being foreign-born - these are the people who are behind building these companies.

Due to excessive beurocracy, red tape, high taxes and low income America tends to bleed Europe dry.

 

[PersonaPimp]

Both are controlled by the jews. It's over for the West.

 

[hghcel]

Both are controlled by the jews. It's over for the West.

u cant tell me its better to live in Europe where if ur harassed by an immigrant and u call the cops ud get arrested for calling the perpetrator arab

 

[parzival]

Europe is just a cucked decaying museum

 

[Saudade]

America is better than Europe, except the big melting pot cities, they are more conservative on average, hard working, they have a freer and more rebellious sprit, when it comes to Europeans they are more open to dialogue, learn, respect other European cultures and not have any prejudices unlike vice versa. The South reminds me of my country in many aspects from temper to nature. Shame that on a federal level it is held hostage by Jews to serve as their golem which is where they get a rightfully bad reputation. They treat Slavs better than Western Europeans, in Western Europe Slav is lower than third world immigrant, in America Slav is not a second class citizen but he can become anything because there you are simply white, in Europe everyone would genocide their neighbors if they could but they worship third world. Europe is old decaying continent that will be swarmed by third world thanks to pretentious, elitist, woke, champagne socialist Western Europeans, of course there are people in Europe who oppose the lunacy but we are a minority

 

[hghcel]

Europe is just a cucked decaying museum

Someone said it

 

[stalkerKiller]

Well if you ask me personally where I'd rather live then it'd be Europe because the chances of a nig shooting me are minimal. Even a muzzy stabbing me is much much more unlikely, you could pay me all the money in the world but that doesn't change the fact that literal third worlds have a lower murder rate than the US.

On the topic of taxes, they are not 50%, most european countries have progressive taxes and you can deduce a lot of things from taxes, like gas. For example in Germany as a single guy you would pay 40% on a salary of 4000 Euros. Keep in mind that everything is much more affordable in Europe and you'll have your answer.

Yes Europe is not ideal, by far not. In fact I want to leave this continent at some point, however moving to the US would be the absolute last thing I'd do.

 

[hghcel]

Well if you ask me personally where I'd rather live then it'd be Europe because the chances of a nig shooting me are minimal. Even a muzzy stabbing me is much much more unlikely, you could pay me all the money in the world but that doesn't change the fact that literal third worlds have a lower murder rate than the US.

On the topic of taxes, they are not 50%, most european countries have progressive taxes and you can deduce a lot of things from taxes, like gas. For example in Germany as a single guy you would pay 40% on a salary of 4000 Euros. Keep in mind that everything is much more affordable in Europe and you'll have your answer.

Yes Europe is not ideal, by far not. In fact I want to leave this continent at some point, however moving to the US would be the absolute last thing I'd do.

No in the United States most crimes are confined to the minorities, unless u actively seek it ull be alright. If you have a college degree in Germany ull most likely pay the 40% and im not even talking about the progressive tax im talking about everything added together. Did I forget to mention that in the US you can actually legally defend urself? Even in the most liberal states like California if someone enters ur house their fate is urs.
According to google Frankfurt, expect to pay roughly €1,200 to €2,000 for a one-bedroom apartment in the city center,
My cousin who lives in Los Angeles pays that but he earns about 180k if he was to go back and live in Germany he would’ve made 60k doing the same thing he’s doing.

 

[stalkerKiller]

Even in the most liberal states like California if someone enters ur house their fate is urs.

This is true in Europe too and it is not just about your home, it applies anywhere

According to google Frankfurt, expect to pay roughly €1,200 to €2,000 for a one-bedroom apartment in the city center,
My cousin who lives in Los Angeles pays that but he earns about 180k if he was to go back and live in Germany he would’ve made 60k doing the same thing he’s doing.

Frankfurt is one of the most expensive cities in Germany and the salaries match how expensive it is. Usually an apartment costs 800-1000. Sure you won't make as much as in the states, however the added social security is worth it in my perspective.

Ideally you wouldn't want to live in a country with a functional government though because ultimately it will sacrifice you for its welfare through war.

 

[hghcel]

This is true in Europe too and it is not just about your home, it applies anywhere

No in Europe if someone enters ur home with a knife u have to fight with a knife if u use a gun then it’s illegal

Frankfurt is one of the most expensive cities in Germany and the salaries match how expensive it is. Usually an apartment costs 800-1000. Sure you won't make as much as in the states, however the added social security is worth it in my perspective.

The salaries don’t match at all. 40k to live in Frankfurt with rent that is 1000-1200 is not matching. I currently live in Illinois and I make 70-80k and according to google Frankfurt is more expensive than Chicago. Don’t forget I also pay lower taxes and most of the social security generally goes towards women and doesn’t benefit u as much. I also assume I would one day like to own ur home and that is just far easier to do in the US.

Ideally you wouldn't want to live in a country with a functional government though because ultimately it will sacrifice you for its welfare through war.

The only countries with functional govs are the gulf Arab states and Monaco.

 

[stalkerKiller]

have to fight with a knife if u use a gun then it’s illegal

Not at all. If you are scared you can use whatever you want there have been lots of cases of people shooting robbers. You can find lots of such cases.

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The only countries with functional govs are the gulf Arab states and Monaco.

Try the entirety of Latin America

40k to live in Frankfurt

Disingenuous comparison. That is how much a store clerk makes in Frankfurt, most people there work in finance, business and tech. The rent is high because the salaries are so damn big.

What you claim is the average salary is actually what you get after taxes. The average salary in Frankfurt is 80K.

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In conclusion it is basically the same, juts that you have higher taxes and with that better services.

 

[nice_try]

Europe is better when you are poor.
USA is better when you are rich.

I live in Europe and if I had the choice, I would prefer living in the USA.
Why?
- Guns.
- Cheap gas.
- less regulation.
- having English as mother tongue is worth gold.

 

[glutty]

How would canada compare then?

 

[Sonicfancel]

The USA is simply unmoggable with the power of the dollar being the world reserve currency, not even china can stop it.

 

[UglyVirgin]

Europe is cucked and will disappear by 2030.

 

[Castaway]

Rural white America will outlast Europe. Rural white American men collectively have more guns than all the armies of Europe combined and know how to maintain and handle them, generally have technical and practical skills, have higher vehicle ownership, distrust central government, hate globohomo, and overall have a culture of autonomy and self-sufficiency. The only real nerfs I can think of are widespread drug abuse, high unemployment and high obesity.

 

[hghcel]

Not at all. If you are scared you can use whatever you want there have been lots of cases of people shooting robbers. You can find lots of such cases.

Perhaps in Germany is different but usually inn Italy u will be arrested. Just last week in Denmark a woman pepper sprayed a migrant and was in trouble and so on and in most of the EU these laws make it impossible to defend urself.

Try the entirety of Latin America

I assume ur joking

What you claim is the average salary is actually what you get after taxes. The average salary in Frankfurt is 80K.

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That is just not true these are just the stereotypical industries to work in that’s like saying that everyone in in San Francisco works in IT and no it’s not the same because there’s a difference between earning 80k without a college degree and earning it with a college degree(less regulation) . I also get to keep home a larger share of the 80k because I don’t have to pay 60% in taxes. If I was to go to Germany and do the same job I’d get paid like 30-40k. If I was to major into something I would make over 110k a year and live in a cheaper city + pay lower taxes.

 

[fullofchagrin]

u cant tell me its better to live in Europe where if ur harassed by an immigrant and u call the cops ud get arrested for calling the perpetrator arab

the media exaggerates everything, you are far more likely to get killed by an immigrant in the US than in europe, and i'm not even including niggers, you are far far more likely to get killed by a nigger in the US

 

[hghcel]

the media exaggerates everything, you are far more likely to get killed by an immigrant in the US than in europe, and i'm not even including niggers, you are far far more likely to get killed by a nigger in the US

That’s not my point my point is that us law allows u to defend urself by any means necessary.

 

[fullofchagrin]

That’s not my point my point is that us law allows u to defend urself by any means necessary.

yeah i agree that's a good thing but it doesn't maket the US a better or safer place because in europe you are far less likely to have to defend yourself anyway

 

[stalkerKiller]

I assume ur joking

Latam does not have a functional government and that is where I aim to live as personal interests are more important than governmental ones.

That is just not true these are just the stereotypical industries to work in that’s like saying that everyone in in San Francisco works in IT and no it’s not the same because there’s a difference between earning 80k without a college degree and earning it with a college degree(less regulation) . I also get to keep home a larger share of the 80k because I don’t have to pay 60% in taxes. If I was to go to Germany and do the same job I’d get paid like 30-40k. If I was to major into something I would make over 110k a year and live in a cheaper city + pay lower taxes.

Everyone has personal preferences, I am not telling you to move to Germany. In fact don't. However life in Europe is not shittier than that in America. For people who value safety Europe is great, if you value capital wealth then the USA is where you want to go. Quality of life wise..... there are countless rankings that you can consult and usually Europe ranks highest.

 

[hghcel]

yeah i agree that's a good thing but it doesn't maket the US a better or safer place because in europe you are far less likely to have to defend yourself anyway

If making it seem like if ur about to get shot every second. I shop in the south side for a couple of months and nothing has ever happened, i was never harassed. Unless ur looking to join a gang or something ull be fine.

 

[hghcel]

there are countless rankings that you can consult and usually Europe ranks highest.

these quality of life rankings are nonesense as ur quality of life is mostly determined by how much money u can get and how much you have.

 

[Drekavac]

Both are ZOG and better "quality of life" usually correlates to more enslaved by them

 

[blackpillednigga]

Both are ZOG and better "quality of life" usually correlates to more enslaved by them

yeah. while you may have it way better than a third worlder youd have less free speech and political representation

 

[over_department]

We’re ugly and non nt we wouldn’t really benefit much from that stuff to be begin with
It doesn’t even matter

 

[hghcel]

We’re ugly and non nt we wouldn’t really benefit much from that stuff to be begin with
It doesn’t even matter

so having money makes no difference?

 

[AutistSupremacist]

Europe is just a cucked decaying museum

To my knowledge, the east isn't so bad.

 

[DarkStar]

yeah. while you may have it way better than a third worlder youd have less free speech and political representation

We have an abundance of copes- vidya, porn, anime/shows/movie, drugs/alcohol, etc.

All the while, this sedates us & makes us complacent

 

[stalkerKiller]

these quality of life rankings are nonesense as ur quality of life is mostly determined by how much money u can get and how much you have.

Cope

 

[Retardfuel]

Europe relies on shitholes for resources, once shitholes rebel europe will starve