Blackpill Don't kid yourselves, ESCORTCELS are still paying women to VALIDATE them

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

Won't name any names here, but when I see copes like this one in the 'must read' section I need to respond:

Female validation is just the usual prerequisite to attaining sex, it is not the goal it is the prerequisite to achieving the goal, and only a foolish egoist chases after validation [sic] why not just pay for sex?

On the surface it looks like prostitution and pornography would be the solution to this, no 'validation' from women needed as you pay your way straight to sexual intercourse. But as everyone knows escorts that are considered pros in the business, are the ones who don't act like a sack of potatoes during sex, but display a passionate engagement with their client, pros will know how important it is to act engaged by simulating as they desire their clients --

-- doing dirty talk by saying "oh yeah, baby, just like that" fuels arousal as it VALIDATES their clients performance. The escorcel is still paying to experience good sex, and the escort must simulate it in it's entirety, being engaged and acting as she wants it.

Not only you are making a financial transaction for a woman to give you the time of her day, or better yet, a couple of hours of her day, you are also paying her for sex where it feels as she would want you the usual way, escorts know they need to act engaging with their customers, even be enthusiastic about it, so they their clients feel satisfied.

 

[Deleted member 24160]

I'm guessing this was from @BlkPillPres?

 

[Irredeemable]

You’re right now that I think about it. A lot of escorts offer the ”Girlfriend Experience”, it’s probably for a reason.

 

[Incel_Because_Short]

You're absolutely right.

Seeing a foid who advertises as an escort versus one who is just a hooker is like night and day. If you're going to pay for sex, finding a girl who does a girlfriend experience (GFE) is incredibly important. In fact, I don't even know why anyone would hire a hooker who won't do GFE.

The one hooker I saw that did GFE, that shit was magical. She pretended to like me, she kissed me, reacted positively to everything I did. I actually left feeling energized.

Saw another one recently who was just a hooker. That shit was incredibly disappointing. She was objectively hotter than the first one, but she just laid there. She did not pretend to like your company, did not pretend to enjoy it or anything. Honestly it was worse than just fucking a fleshlight.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

I'm guessing this was from @BlkPillPres?

yes, but it's a joint thread made by IncelKIng, but I now see he's banned, and cannot respond.

You're absolutely right.

Seeing a foid who advertises as an escort versus one who is just a hooker is like night and day. If you're going to pay for sex, finding a girl who does a girlfriend experience (GFE) is incredibly important. In fact, I don't even know why anyone would hire a hooker who won't do GFE.

The one hooker I saw that did GFE, that shit was magical. She pretended to like me, she kissed me, reacted positively to everything I did. I actually left feeling energized.

Saw another one recently who was just a hooker. That shit was incredibly disappointing. She was objectively hotter than the first one, but she just laid there. She did not pretend to like your company, did not pretend to enjoy it or anything. Honestly it was worse than just fucking a fleshlight.

many such cases, I studied under a psychoanalysis professor who told us stories about italian fathers and uncles arraging prostitutes for their sons who were coming of age yet were still virgins, with many of the guys expecting a transcedental experience only to be disappointment with the boring, anti-climactic sloppy sex they got. Unlike animal copulation, human sexuality is fundamentally still a subjective experience. Feeling loved or validated by a woman might be unqantifiable in the positivist sense, yet it's absence can seriously limit the amout of pleasure you'd get from a woman's body.

 

[RREEEEEEEEE]

Pussy is pussy.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I'm guessing this was from @BlkPillPres?

Correct

But as everyone knows

Conveniently this "everyone" is people that don't pay for sex or are egoists

escorts that are considered pros in the business, are the ones who don't act like a sack of potatoes during sex, but display a passionate engagement with their client, pros will know how important it is to act engaged by simulating as they desire their clients

Escorts are considered pros based on what they do, not if they make you feel like they are enjoying it too, you have to be a retard with no self awareness, to pay someone to do something and then fantasize that they want to do it AFTER PAYING THEM

You literally have to use mental gymnastics and pretend like a transaction never took place, this is why egoists are idiots

-- doing dirty talk by saying "oh yeah, baby, just like that" fuels arousal as it VALIDATES their clients performance. The escorcel is still paying to experience good sex, and the escort must simulate it in it's entirety, being engaged and acting as she wants it

Being physically engaged and acting as if they want it are two different things, and again, you are basically making a circular argument, most men are raised in an age where they are raised to stake their ego in their sexual prowess, where they are concerned more about women "liking them" than fucking women, so of course most men who go to prostitutes ask for this shit, that's exactly my point, they are coping and in denial

By your logic most men are blue pilled so the blue pill is an indisputable fact, appeal to majority is a slippery slope

Not only you are making a financial transaction for a woman to give you the time of her day, or better yet, a couple of hours of her day, you are also paying her for sex where it feels as she would want you the usual way, escorts know they need to act engaging with their customers, even be enthusiastic about it, so they their clients feel satisfied.

Sorry dude, I'm not an egoist, in fact a look of discomfort or disgust may even arouse me more, because I don't give a fuck about what she thinks JFL

There's no need for me to go on any further, this guys video encapsulates the best thing about escortcelling anyways:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hXJ4DlIo-U

Saw another one recently who was just a hooker. That shit was incredibly disappointing. She was objectively hotter than the first one, but she just laid there. She did not pretend to like your company, did not pretend to enjoy it or anything. Honestly it was worse than just fucking a fleshlight.

Maybe you are paying for sex for the wrong reasons

Feeling loved or validated by a woman might be unqantifiable in the positivist sense, yet it's absence can seriously limit the amout of pleasure you'd get from a woman's body.

Again, you we were all raised to think this, just like we were all raised to be blue pilled, its very ironic that you guys can abandon one way of life, but yet you cling to certain aspects of it because you want to believe in something "deeper" in life

You are speaking as if its some biological craving, if so, how do rapists rape, they should not be able to stay erect, how did men of the past favor arranged marriages or just claiming a bride through conquest?

There is no biological craving for female validation its socialized, and you guys just refuse to let go of that aspect of socialization, why stop being blue pilled then?

If you are going to hold on to one, might as well hold on to all

 

[Incel_Because_Short]

Maybe you are paying for sex for the wrong reasons

Maybe I am.

I'll be honest I've seen three different escorts now. In terms of sexual stimulation it's really not that special. You're never getting anything bare. Objectively speaking, a fleshlight is much more pleasurable.

Nobody pays for sex just to have their penis stimulated. You pay to feel your body close to a woman's,, to hear her moaning, to feel her legs wrapped around your waist, to smell her natural scent.

All I can say is that it's been a much more enjoyable experience when the woman was at least pretending to have a good time. but when the woman you hire is just laying there like a starfish, and five minutes in she picks up her phone to contact another client, how am I supposed to be in the mood for that? Honestly?

 

[AlexanderTheGreat11]

I think the reasons some of the guys here who are into that , but they’re still posting here is exactly because they can’t get validation from those encounters.If they could get unpaid sex which does gives validation , They’ll start forgetting about this forum

 

[Deleted member 24256]

You’re right now that I think about it. A lot of escorts offer the ”Girlfriend Experience”, it’s probably for a reason.

 

[Deleted member 26506]

water is wet
none of them denied that and I even remember 1 escortcel saying his experience and saying things like "it feels real and idc that its fake"
and sex is how we get/feel female validation as well

 

[BlkPillPres]

but when the woman you hire is just laying there like a starfish, and five minutes in she picks up her phone to contact another client, how am I supposed to be in the mood for that? Honestly?

1. Hard for a bitch to do starfish during anal lol, maybe you should ask for different things that make starfish sex impossible, if she's not going to react, see how much punishment she can take until she does, can a bitch "starfish you" during a deep throat? lol

I really don't get it when guys like you say this shit, you speak as if once she lies down there's some force field around her and if she decides not to perform that's it, you paid for a service you can make her provide lol

Responses like yours makes me think you are PAYING FOR ACTUAL "ESCORTS" rather than HOOKERS

(This is why I hate the term escortcel because it becomes confusing, I'm not fucking escorts, I'm fucking whores)

If you are doing that you are wasting your money



2. This is also something confusing for me, if you know she's pretending, then how is it really any different than her not pretending, IDK but unlike you guys I can't placebo myself, I can't use mental gymnastics, if I know, I KNOW, so no fake smile or moan is going to make a difference to me, the last (and only) bitch I fucked I actually asked that she not pretend, just to react genuinely

I DID THIS TO AVOID WHAT YOU IRONICALLY TOUT AS A POSITIVE (FAKENESS)

I'm going there for genuine experience

MY genuine experience, HER reactions don't really matter, in fact her natural reactions are more arousing to me

That pouty look of disdain (like they are angry they are with someone like you)

That annoyed look of "would he hurry up" as she's stroking my dick

If I get positive reactions one day that's good too, but for me its the fakeness that would be unarousing, I can't play these kinds of games with myself

I'm there to fuck not to be loved or tricked or convinced of anything, so no matter her reaction as long as I'm fucking her I will enjoy it

In fact its like a game at that point, you get to experiment and see what makes her react a certain way, and in that way you can actually figure out what arouses woman (whether she wants to be aroused or not)

I was so surprised when I saw her nipples get hard JFL



BUT WITH THE EXPERIENCES YOU PAY FOR ALL YOU GET IS THE SAME FAKE SMILES AND MOANS

There's nothing genuine about it (regardless of whether you can delude yourself into enjoying it)

You don't learn anything, you don't experience anything, you are basically paying to press the "skip boss battle" button in the game lol, so that you can skip straight to "feeling like an attractive man"

You are really just robbing yourself of a truly satisfactory experience, if only you could change your perspective on this

You've spent too many years of accepting that mutual attraction and conveyed consent is the ONLY WAY to enjoy intimacy, and you've internalized that, but that has never been true for men, only for women, masculinity has been feminized and men today accept feminine values as though they are masculine

Men can get off on vulnerability, dominance, etc, you never needed to feel loved, you were taught you needed to feel loved and you like the idea of feeling loved so you cling to it, but you need to stop coping, you don't need "bootleg affection" during sex to enjoy it

TRY AND ENJOY IT FOR WHAT IT IS

 

[Incel_Because_Short]

You've spent too many years of accepting that mutual attraction and conveyed consent is the ONLY WAY to enjoy intimacy, and you've internalized that, but that has never been true for men, only for women, masculinity has been feminized and men today accept feminine values as though they are masculine

Men can get off on vulnerability, dominance, etc, you never needed to feel loved, you were taught you needed to feel loved and you like the idea of feeling loved so you cling to it, but you need to stop coping, you don't need "bootleg affection" during sex to enjoy it

TRY AND ENJOY IT FOR WHAT IT IS

It's gonna take a while to get this out of my head.

 

[BlkPillPres]

It's gonna take a while to get this out of my head.

I understand its different for everyone, we've all had different experiences which shape the way we think and what we want

The irony is you are doing the perfect thing to "get it out of your head" (paying for sex objectifies women and helps you come to terms with the transactional aspect of intimacy, it dehumanizes sex into a product/service)

But you are doing it in a manner where it may almost be impossible to ever change, because you are paying to humanize a dehumanizing practice lol, its really funny when you think about it

TBH I don't really like people, I don't like socializing, I do it because I have to, if I can keep that aspect of human existence outside of sex, that just makes it simpler for me, I don't have to guess, or wonder, just enjoy

The entire point of paying for sex is the fact that its simple and dehumanizing, requesting that a whore pretend to like you to "re-humanize" the experience really just defeats the purpose of the entire setup, of it being worry free, guiltless, no judgement, sexual enjoyment

You aren't there for her, you are there for you, but the moment you request that she pretend so that you can "feel alright with it" as you "need her to enjoy it too", then you are no longer there for you, you are paying her to make you feel like she wants to be with you, its about her now

In that sense, to me its like female worship in a way

 

[Incel_Because_Short]

I understand its different for everyone, we've all had different experiences which shape the way we think and what we want

The irony is you are doing the perfect thing to "get it out of your head" (paying for sex objectifies women and helps you come to terms with the transactional aspect of intimacy, it dehumanizes sex into a product/service)

But you are doing it in a manner where it may almost be impossible to ever change, because you are paying to humanize a dehumanizing practice lol, its really funny when you think about it

TBH I don't really like people, I don't like socializing, I do it because I have to, if I can keep that aspect of human existence outside of sex, that just makes it simpler for me, I don't have to guess, or wonder, just enjoy

The entire point of paying for sex is the fact that its simple and dehumanizing, requesting that a whore pretend to like you to "re-humanize" the experience really just defeats the purpose of the entire setup, of it being worry free, guiltless, no judgement, sexual enjoyment

You aren't there for her, you are there for you, but the moment you request that she pretend so that you can "feel alright with it" as you "need her to enjoy it too", then you are no longer there for you, you are paying her to make you feel like she wants to be with you, its about her now

In that sense, to me its like female worship in a way

Do you live in a country that fully legalized/banned prostitution?

Where I live they ban the purchase, not the sale of sex.

What you're saying here, to dehumanize the experience, it's just very risky to do here. If you overstep where I live, she can easily call the police on you and have you locked up, and she'll be free from any problems.

 

[BlkPillPres]

What you're saying here, to dehumanize the experience, it's just very risky to do here. If you overstep where I live, she can easily call the police on you and have you locked up, and she'll be free from any problems.

I can only assume you live in Cucknada

Where I live it isn't legal and its not really regulated, its illegal for both parties though

What you said here is exactly why I plan on moving to a SEA country before I start escortcelling

I'm paying to make a woman my bitch for a few minutes (that doesn't mean I'm slapping bitches around and shit JFL, I'm not into BDSM or anything like that, but I have to be running the show), I don't like the power dynamic of prostitution where you live, its like you are constantly at her mercy, what's to stop a whore from just screaming rape because she decides she doesn't want to fuck you, of course you could leave a bad review but she can just say you are lying and you can't verify anything because being a John is illegal but selling is legal, that's really fucked up lol

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

There's no need for me to go on any further, this guys video encapsulates the best thing about escortcelling anyways:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hXJ4DlIo-U

jfl, that guy only proves my thesis is right, in another video he goes from "I just like pussy" to lining out the importance of doing it with a hooker who "actually wants to get fucked" as she will "treat you like a king" -- he want's his hookers to desire' energetically and loudly; he is concerned if the hookers he will be fucking are a "happy hooker": that the hookers he fucks are hookers because they enjoy doing what they do. For him, as far as prostitution is concerned, the fantasy of the female desire is essential, not just her manipulative body. He is the archetypal client I am describing.

 

[BlkPillPres]

He is the archetypal client I am describing.

Most men are the archetypal client, you are skipping over why though (were all raised to think this shit from the start), just like most men are blue pilled, does that now mean the blue pill is valid?

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

MY genuine experience, HER reactions don't really matter, in fact her natural reactions are more arousing to me

her natural reactions are more arousing to me

in that way you can actually figure out what arouses woman

the last (and only) bitch I fucked I actually asked that she not pretend, just to react genuinely

Let me be brutally honest with you; You say you prefer her to be 'genuine' instead of fake? Then without any doubt it is you who is raising the question of her desire, or lack of thereof and far from not giving a fuck about it -- you desire to uncover the authentic of her subjective experience through the 'genuineness' in her reactions that either mark arousal or discomfort (look of disdain). You didn't just pay a hooker ''for a fuck', you told her 'not to pretend', by definition the question of her desire is raised and articulated in the request that she is 'genuine'.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Let me be brutally honest with you; You say you prefer her to be 'genuine' instead of fake? Then without any doubt it is you who is raising the question of her desire, or lack of thereof and far from not giving a fuck about it -- you desire to uncover the authentic of her subjective experience through the 'genuineness' in her reactions that either mark arousal or discomfort (look of disdain). You didn't just pay a hooker ''for a fuck', you told her 'not to pretend', by definition the question of her desire is raised and articulated in the request that she is 'genuine'.

Its funny how you string together all these words and they still amount to saying nothing, its like you don't get the point of using "big words", its to convey a point, not just to "sound smart", everytime I read one of your messages I think you are a 15 year old trying to parody me (like @MENSA_IQcel who was literally a troll account parodying me)

You are using some serious mental gymnastics to say I'm the one focusing on her desire, when I have said what you quoted and ALSO SAID THIS:

If I get positive reactions one day that's good too, but for me its the fakeness that would be unarousing, I can't play these kinds of games with myself

I'm there to fuck not to be loved or tricked or convinced of anything, so no matter her reaction as long as I'm fucking her I will enjoy it

It seems like you are only seeing what you want to see, exhibit A of confirmation bias

My point (which is quite obvious as I was very specific lol) is that either way I'm good as long as its a real reaction, its going there to pay for a fake smile and moan which is what would ironically be unarousing to me

Its like paying someone to be your friend, paying a woman to act like she's enjoying having sex with you, is just as ridiculous, you wouldn't pay a random person to watch your favorite TV show and talk with you about it later as though you both have the same interests, yet when it comes to sex, so many men are indoctrinated with the usual perspective that they basically do exactly that, have a woman act like she's interested in you and you are actually "close", its ridiculous

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

Its funny how you string together all these words and they still amount to saying nothing, its like you don't get the point of using "big words", its to convey a point, not just to "sound smart", everytime I read one of your messages I think you are a 15 year old trying to parody me (like @MENSA_IQcel who was literally a troll account parodying me)

You are using some serious mental gymnastics to say I'm the one focusing on her desire, when I have said what you quoted and ALSO SAID THIS:


It seems like you are only seeing what you want to see, exhibit A of confirmation bias

My point (which is quite obvious as I was very specific lol) is that either way I'm good as long as its a real reaction, its going there to pay for a fake smile and moan which is what would ironically be unarousing to me

Its like paying someone to be your friend, paying a woman to act like she's enjoying having sex with you, is just as ridiculous, you wouldn't pay a random person to watch your favorite TV show and talk with you about it later as though you both have the same interests, yet when it comes to sex, so many men are indoctrinated with the usual perspective that they basically do exactly that, have a woman act like she's interested in you and you are actually "close", its ridiculous

My last post in this thread: you consider 'validation' unnecessary, something that isn't 'steeped in biology' so when it comes to prostitutes you're there to enjoy the real physical thing, but then you do something that distinguishes it from mere copulation and turns it into a question of her desire or the lack of it -- the question of preferring 'genuineness' over 'fakeness' is a completely subjective distinction where you raise the question "what does she really feel when doing it? how will she really react to me?" It's her who really doesn't give a fuck and treats it like customer service, you on the other hand are intrigued by the 'authentic' on her part.