Discussion Do you think if we had an "idea" guiding our society, we would be happier?

[SuperMario64DS]

In the medieval period, Europeans sent their brave Catholic young men to the Middle East to murder towelheads in the name of Christ.
After religion fell, countries began killing each other in the name of their nation; go fucking kill those German dogs in the name of Napoleon and French glory! Overthrow those Anglican fucktards in the name of Catholic Ireland! Up the IRA!
In the Soviet Union, the Russians sent their kids throughout the world to murder third world dictator draftees in the name of Communism.
In Nazi Germany, the Germans sent their blue eyed sweethearts to murder and pillage Slavs, Jews, and Romance peoples in the name of Eugenics.

I feel like besides some Middle East countries with Islam, and maybe the United States with the esoteric "freedom" concept, most of the world has given up on the idea of an "idea" guiding our society. It's now this attitude of "just find what gives you meaning bro" and "do what makes you happy bro." I feel like that, at an individual level, that gives people no structure and they just linger around knowing life has no meaning until they die.

If we had an idea guiding our society, do you think we would be happy?

 

[AnonAutist]

This is an illiberal thread.

 

[SuperMario64DS]

This is an illiberal thread.

So?

 

[PoodankMcGee]

Yeah kind of. If a society actually values the continuance of their culture/religion/nation and holds such an "idea" as a moral imperative, then they will naturally lean towards patriarchy and other policies that would benefit incels. Because you can't continue a complex civilization when you have large masses of sexless, purposeless men with nothing to lose and no ties to the culture. Ultimately though foids are still hypergamous and will lust after chad cock if they were permitted to be exposed to it

 

[PPEcel]

Why? What makes you think that such an "idea" exists, and that you could somehow force everyone into accepting it?

There isn't anything inherently wrong with the individualism that goes hand-in-hand with liberal and democratic political values. Medieval Europe, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union are not "happy societies". This is absurd.

 

[AnonAutist]

So?

Just sayin'.

Our modern Western societies are organized around the goal of fulfilling every consumer desire of the public in an ever more efficient manner via the use of free markets and legal emancipation. It's literally the opposite of a Buddhist society, which is about killing the worldly desires within you. A reactionary Christian might say we live in a Satanic society, since its all about fulfillment of worldly, short term desires with an endless stream of made-in-China plastic crap, porn, drugs and fast food.




I think we're doomed. I don't think we'll able, as a collective, to define a Common Good on which you could base the guidance you speak of. We'll just consoom ourselves to death. It's also why incels are tragic wretches in our liberal societies, since wish fulfillment is what the entire culture is predicated on and oriented towards. And when you cannot fulfill your deepest desire, because it's not for sale, liberalism offers no moral or spiritual copes. Basically it's over.

 

[SuperMario64DS]

"What makes you think that such an "idea" exists, and that you could somehow force everyone into accepting it?"
"There isn't anything inherently wrong with the individualism that goes hand-in-hand with liberal and democratic political values."

Lmao.

Anyways, there's no such concrete idea. It's all construction. "Communism" never existed. "Aryan pride" never existed. "God endorsing Crusades" never existed.

What does "individualism" and "liberal and democratic values" even mean? Let's give an example of "liberal and democratic values." There's no such thing as purely unhinged "freedom of speech." Yell in a movie theater about a fire or give your opinion about how Mr. X Y and Z is a pedophile; you won't be allowed. Also, "liberal and democratic" values constrain what ideas are socially acceptable. If I were to post my identity on this fucking site, it would ruin my life because "inceldom" as an idea is not open to socially limited freedom of speech.

What does "Freedom of the Press" mean, especially when society constrains what ideas are socially acceptable or not? In fact, before the internet, all media organizations were controlled by a select amount of influential people who controlled American political discourse, and in large part this is still true today.

Ever wonder why nobody hears about how the West has basically been committing genocide in Yemen? Or how Israel as a country is not allowed to be criticized?

"Individualism" and "freedom" are all constructions which have convinced masses of people as a greater truth to live their lives by, at least in the United States and those who prostrate themselves before the US - mainly England and Australia.


However, day by day, our society is moving past these values into nothingness, away from democratic values as a good in of itself into "just do whatever makes you happy" bro and unbastioned hedonism.
@PPEcel

Just sayin'.

Our modern Western societies are organized around the goal of fulfilling every consumer desire of the public in an ever more efficient manner via the use of free markets and legal emancipation. It's literally the opposite of a Buddhist society, which is about killing the worldly desires within you. A reactionary Christian might say we live in a Satanic society, since its all about fulfillment of worldly, short term desires with an endless stream of made-in-China plastic crap, porn, drugs and fast food.

Yeah if Christ weren't just an imaginary ideal, it wouldn't surprise me if a Satan-possessed Jew who was a product of a prostitute showed up on the scene in a few years as the world monarch.

Nothing quite screams "spirit of lawlessness" like our society.

I think we're doomed. I don't think we'll able, as a collective, to define a Common Good on which you could base the guidance you speak of. We'll just consoom ourselves to death. It's also why incels are tragic wretches in our liberal societies, since wish fulfillment is what the entire culture is predicated on and oriented towards. And when you cannot fulfill your deepest desire, because it's not for sale, liberalism offers no moral or spiritual copes. Basically it's over.

No shit. For incels like ourselves, this world is a dystopia.
The one thing that brings human fulfillment - the opposite gender who loves you, embraces you, and will die for you; and being able to see your children as a reflection of yourselves - has been locked away for many thanks to the capitalist spirit.

"Survival of the fittest"