Experiment Do you blame society or your ugliness?

[Fontaine]

I solely blame my ugliness and bad genes. I don't have the delusion that 200 years ago, I would have been more lucky in love. Arranged marriages have never been fully arranged in the West, the girl had some say in it, and ugly-ass niggas were not much more popular then, unless they were particularly rich or high status. And tbh, I would have hated to defile a pretty woman with my subhumanity.

 

[StormlitAqua]

Both. I would not be incel in the 1950s, so I tend to lean towards society though.

 

[Dunkelheit]

Society since I'm the average joe looking motherfucker and I can't get my rightful looksmatch because hypergamy. Doesn't matter how much I gymcel or get surgeries, I will have to settle for less always. Urgh

 

[fuck chad]

lmao jews

 

[Fontaine]

Both. I would not be incel in the 1950s,

I think you would have been. The 1950s were already very much into "free love", ie female hypergamy. The trend had started in full force soon after WW1.

The 1850s, now, we can talk.

lmao jews

Blaming Jews for your personal failures is the funniest European tradition.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

I think you would have been. The 1950s were already very much into "free love", ie female hypergamy. The trend had started in full force soon after WW1.

The 1850s, now, we can talk.

This.

The divergence point was modernism.

 

[Curious0]

my ugliness

 

[Weightcel]

Both. I would not be incel in the 1950s, so I tend to lean towards society though.

But you'd still be beta bucks technically.

 

[StormlitAqua]

But you'd still be beta bucks technically.

Betabux wasn't abusive back then though. I was expected back then that the man would take care of the wife and kids monetarily, and the wife would take care of the kids and husband emotionally.

Nowadays, its abusive because the money is the only reason she stays around.

 

[Colly]

Volcel if you think your appearance isn't the reason for your inceldom

 

[Fontaine]

But you'd still be beta bucks technically.

Yup. It has always been over for ugly males.

 

[EARTH]

Genes. I blame genes.

Society can definitely influence trends; even then, the power of good genes transcends everything. It's rooted in biology. For example, good skin indicates good health. Masculine features = good hormonal levels = able to ward off enemies. No amount of propaganda will change the reality. It does not matter if you are living in 10,000BC or 2018, the female specimen will always respond favorably to good genes. Genes > Everything.

 

[Weightcel]

Betabux wasn't abusive back then though. I was expected back then that the man would take care of the wife and kids monetarily, and the wife would take care of the kids and husband emotionally.

Nowadays, its abusive because the money is the only reason she stays around.

Yeah but she still isn't genuinely attracted to you in either case. The only difference is that in the 50s she was essentially forced to stay around because she couldn't support herself without a man.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Blaming Jews for your personal failures is the funniest European tradition.

Blacks blame all their problems on whites, whites blame all their problems on the jews.

 

[GreenBull]

Society made those fucking beauty standards. I blame society.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Volcel if you think your appearance isn't the reason for your inceldom

I can state with relative certainty, that if I were born 200 years ago, I wouldn't be incel. Meaning that there are societal forces at work which support the current state of the sexual marketplace.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Yeah but she still isn't genuinely attracted to you in either case. The only difference is that in the 50s she was essentially forced to stay around because she couldn't support herself without a man.

Well she also had to give her part, as in she had to raise the kids. So thats where its not truly abusive how you are the breadwinner.

 

[EARTH]

Society made those fucking beauty standards. I blame society.

Wrong. Read my above post. What is attractive is rooted in biology.

 

[Fontaine]

Blacks blame all their problems on whites, whites blame all their problems on the jews.

Whom do the jews blame?

 

[EARTH]

Whom do the jews blame?

White supremacists / Nazi's.

 

[StormlitAqua]

Yeah but she still isn't genuinely attracted to you in either case. The only difference is that in the 50s she was essentially forced to stay around because she couldn't support herself without a man.

Forced love is better than fake love.

 

[GreenBull]

Wrong. Read my above post. What is attractive is rooted in biology.

Agreed that genes help but in 2018, even ok genes cannot save you. You got to be 7+ to survive in 2018 just because of modern societal standards. Back in older times, ugly masculine guys like me could get laid but in 2018, I don't stand a chance. Society has to be blamed.

 

[B4bydr3w]

Society since I'm the average joe looking motherfucker and I can't get my rightful looksmatch because hypergamy. Doesn't matter how much I gymcel or get surgeries, I will have to settle for less always. Urgh

Wearing shoes would help.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Whom do the jews blame?

Jews blame conservative groups like Muslims or far right wingers. Then they reciprocate that blame back.

 

[WarriorSkull]

I don't understand how people so confidently buy into this entire notion of female biological imperative as the explanation for their behavior when you would also have to explain their fear and avoidance of pregnancy while simultaneous seeking out endless new/better mating opportunities. How come women's behavior in a entirely unnatural environment (zero chance of unwanted pregnancy/protected and far removed from the social consequences) is viewed as "their true nature"? Wouldn't the vast majority of human's fall to vices if we remove or minimize the natural consequences of such choices?

I'm not saying things were and were not better at different points in history. My point is that I have only lived in this modern society and this modern society is the furthest thing from "natural" that has ever existed as far as we know. This isn't just reflected in the technologies and resources available to us, but in the minds of the normies who seem incapable of seeing what is in front of their faces and - forever lost in the maze of nested hyperrealities.

 

[GeneticDysfunction]

Genes. I blame genes.

Society can definitely influence trends; even then, the power of good genes transcends everything. It's rooted in biology. For example, good skin indicates good health. Masculine features = good hormonal levels = able to ward off enemies. No amount of propaganda will change the reality. It does not matter if you are living in 10,000BC or 2018, the female specimen will always respond favorably to good genes. Genes > Everything.

FUCK LIFEEEEEEE THIS WORLD NEEDS TO BURNNN

 

[Deleted member 6101]

I wouldn't be an incel within the paradigm of the old system, so I'd say it's soc-jew-wom's fault.

 

[Nostalgia]

both

 

[BlackPillUNC]

I don't blame society, women or jews.

I wouldn't fuck me if I was a woman. Why would I settle for an ugly guy when I can fuck a non-ugly guy?

I don't blame the jews either. If I were a Jew, I would also try to destroy the world.

I don't blame society for placing low value on ugly males, our lives our expendable. We are unnecessary for breeding. Our only positive trait is that we can do labor.

Overall, my shitty situation is exclusively because of my looks. Society and Women will always be looks-obsessed... that will never change that's just how they are made. Jews will always be obsessed with ruining society however they can.

If I were pretty none of that would matter.

 

[_incelinside]

Society has made the problem Alot worse

 

[Deleted member 4159]

I picked both. Society is obvious. But I also picked genes because of the health and mental issues mouthbreathing has caused me.

 

[Grotesque]

Mostly my shit genes.

50+ years ago, I'd be married to a fellow sub-5 female who would likely hate me, but was forced to stay with me and our ugly kids, and give me unmotivated sex monthly to maintain the status quo.

That life would be better than the eternal crippling loneliness that I suffer with now, but I doubt I'd be significantly happier.

I really want to have no strings attached sex with many females.

 

[Mainländer]

Both are the culprit in my case.

 

[z2020]

Same as you. Doesn't matter what era, even if you got a wife, she wouldn't have been physically attracted to you due to being ugly.

 

[Deleted member 1042]

I blame society. In a just society, I wouldn’t need to suffer like this. I would either be with my looksmatch or not born to begin with. My parents lacked foresight and were not rational in bringing me to this existence.

 

[VST]

Both

 

[TrueAlphaMale]

Women are brainwahsed by jews.

 

[Deleted member 6470]

I blame the doctors, they fucked me at my birth.
brb fucked up nose > deviant septum > mouth breathing > all my problems
brb the fucking NW at birth. Not as bad as some people but still NW1 with shitty temples.

I only wish their children/grand children would have the same pain as I have.

 

[Fontaine]

Women are brainwahsed by jews.

horrible cope.

 

[LebaneseCel]

Modern societal beliefs have inflated hypergamy, so yes.

 

[Evildoer]

Of course i do, degeneracy must be stopped.

 

[Robtical]

ugly-ass niggas were not much more popular then, unless they were particularly rich or high status. And tbh, I would have hated to defile a pretty woman with my subhumanity.

 

[FeminismsCancer]

Both but not Jews kek.

 

[Juxtaposition6]

I blame the poor health environment i grew up in, i was not encouraged to eat healthily nor play sports/do physical activity, i have become unmotivated and jaded due to always being treated differently being the odd one out, this unfair treatment of me from others is caused by my physical appearance and only my physical appearance.
Others, they are to blame, it's a vicious cycle.