"Elliot Rodger is obviously an awful person and my sympathies lie with his victims. But holy shit, those lips."
-u/elliotthroway
"I’d love to let some fat incel bust inside of me." -Notsafeforlurk2
"I'm trying to understand my sexuality, and I guess there is something of a dominating nature, isn't it? Like I would want to teach him, enjoy his awkwardness and his pleasure (because men, unlike women, are more likely to get pleasure from their first sex). I have never wanted to be dominating, on the contrary, but this thought fucking turns me on." -u/[deleted]
"I love a nervous person too. Once I see signs of nervousness (even small ones) I get so turned on. I love to tease and toy with a guy about it (in a nice way of course). This can be anything from eye shifting, to blushing, twitches, awkwardness, all just while talking. Noticing all these things and trying to further fluster a guy makes me feel predatorial... I obsessively love virgins. It's hard to carry on a long term relationship because I get bothered by when a guy gets use to sex and isn't as nervous." -u/wisechildhack
The proposition is absurd to think about.
If true, if women have actually harbored some secret fetish towards male virgins this entire time, we could have solved this little problem a long, long time ago!
And yet, as I ponder the idea, it increasingly seems to be more and more of a possibility.
1. r/IncelTear
Why would a ragtag group of people (people who know this forum is obscure to the rest of society) dig through our archives and repost them for analysis?
Honestly I have no idea, I am still trying to figure this out myself (though I do find it interesting that the critics have a platform while the entertainers hide).
But I think there might just be something sexual at play here as well.
Take, for example, r/IncelTear user u/Princess_kitty14.
Her posts are, for the most part, relatively typical: screen captures from this forum with a (sometimes) witty title.
But other times, they're more like this (Warning: NSFW):
You see, it is not enough for u/princess_kitty14 to simply criticize incels, she also has to try to take advantage of them.
How?
By trying to get young men to subscribe to her OnlyFans and pay her money.
Now, if this is her business strategy, it is fantastic.
The perfect customer for an intimate porn website would certainly be a young, lonely, male virgin lurking on Reddit.
But isn't it interesting how this woman, who is seemingly obsessed with incels and our forum, also wants incels to look at her naked body?
Doesn't she know, subconsciously if nothing else, that virgin men are admiring her physique?
Maybe then, women aren't naturally hostile towards male virgins but have been conditioned to be by the rest of society.
Maybe they secretly want to save us.
Maybe they secretly want to free us from our inceldom but are too unaware to put it into words.
After all, in recent years we have seen a definite-
2. Increased obsession with male virginity
In recent years, there has been a distinct rise in movies and media about male virgins; so much so, in fact, that it has started to become an obsession.
In 1981, the movie Porky's was released. It follows high school virgins who go to a strip club to try and lose their virginity.
In 2005, The 40-Year-Old Virgin was released. A movie that follows a boyish 40-year-old virgin named Andy as he tries to lose his virginity.
In 2008, Sex Drive was released. A movie that follows a boyish 18-year-old virgin named Ian as he tries to lose his virginity.
I think you're starting to see the pattern here.
So why has there been such a heavy focus on male virginity in recent years?
But, like with r/IncelTear, maybe there is something sexual at play here as well.
After all, Hollywood must appeal to both men and women if they want to earn the most profit.
So, maybe, the popularity of these movies is also partially due to women's secret fantasy of finding an innocent, "nice-guy" and taking his virginity.
Maybe these women have an incel fetish.
After all, in most of these movies the man "wins" by getting into a long-term relationship with the female, so, in a way, the female wins too.
But the theory of the fetishization of male virginity would be incomplete without the inclusion of-
3. The Fetishization of Female Virginity
Sexual fetishes are interesting because a lot of times they are dual; they go both ways.
Well, my friend, you've come to the right place:
The only question that remains is: is the opposite true?
Conclusion
Alright, I think you get the point of my post; women definitely have some sort of attraction towards men who are virgins, whether or not they admit it openly.
But what the hell are we supposed to do about this?
In my opinion, the answer is simple.
We, as a society, have to begin to have more tolerance for males who are virgins.
So, maybe all involuntary celibates are not so bad after all.
Maybe once we start to realize our sexualities don't define us, we can start to have more open and honest conversations about them.
Maybe once we start tolerating each other again, on both sides, we will finally find peace.
-u/elliotthroway
"I’d love to let some fat incel bust inside of me." -Notsafeforlurk2
"I'm trying to understand my sexuality, and I guess there is something of a dominating nature, isn't it? Like I would want to teach him, enjoy his awkwardness and his pleasure (because men, unlike women, are more likely to get pleasure from their first sex). I have never wanted to be dominating, on the contrary, but this thought fucking turns me on." -u/[deleted]
"I love a nervous person too. Once I see signs of nervousness (even small ones) I get so turned on. I love to tease and toy with a guy about it (in a nice way of course). This can be anything from eye shifting, to blushing, twitches, awkwardness, all just while talking. Noticing all these things and trying to further fluster a guy makes me feel predatorial... I obsessively love virgins. It's hard to carry on a long term relationship because I get bothered by when a guy gets use to sex and isn't as nervous." -u/wisechildhack
Do women have an Incel fetish?
The proposition is absurd to think about.
If true, if women have actually harbored some secret fetish towards male virgins this entire time, we could have solved this little problem a long, long time ago!
And yet, as I ponder the idea, it increasingly seems to be more and more of a possibility.
1. r/IncelTear
Why would a ragtag group of people (people who know this forum is obscure to the rest of society) dig through our archives and repost them for analysis?
Honestly I have no idea, I am still trying to figure this out myself (though I do find it interesting that the critics have a platform while the entertainers hide).
Perhaps, a few them are themselves incels in denial.
Perhaps, some of them truly do want to help us become the best versions we can be.
But I think there might just be something sexual at play here as well.
Take, for example, r/IncelTear user u/Princess_kitty14.
Her posts are, for the most part, relatively typical: screen captures from this forum with a (sometimes) witty title.
But other times, they're more like this (Warning: NSFW):
You see, it is not enough for u/princess_kitty14 to simply criticize incels, she also has to try to take advantage of them.
How?
By trying to get young men to subscribe to her OnlyFans and pay her money.
Now, if this is her business strategy, it is fantastic.
The perfect customer for an intimate porn website would certainly be a young, lonely, male virgin lurking on Reddit.
But isn't it interesting how this woman, who is seemingly obsessed with incels and our forum, also wants incels to look at her naked body?
Doesn't she know, subconsciously if nothing else, that virgin men are admiring her physique?
Maybe then, women aren't naturally hostile towards male virgins but have been conditioned to be by the rest of society.
Maybe they secretly want to save us.
Maybe they secretly want to free us from our inceldom but are too unaware to put it into words.
After all, in recent years we have seen a definite-
2. Increased obsession with male virginity
In recent years, there has been a distinct rise in movies and media about male virgins; so much so, in fact, that it has started to become an obsession.
In 1981, the movie Porky's was released. It follows high school virgins who go to a strip club to try and lose their virginity.
In 2005, The 40-Year-Old Virgin was released. A movie that follows a boyish 40-year-old virgin named Andy as he tries to lose his virginity.
In 2008, Sex Drive was released. A movie that follows a boyish 18-year-old virgin named Ian as he tries to lose his virginity.
I think you're starting to see the pattern here.
So why has there been such a heavy focus on male virginity in recent years?
Well, part of the problem is that it is becoming a bigger problem for men in North America and around the world.
Another issue is that movies about male virgins inspire remakes of movies about different male virgins, continuing the cycle.
But, like with r/IncelTear, maybe there is something sexual at play here as well.
After all, Hollywood must appeal to both men and women if they want to earn the most profit.
So, maybe, the popularity of these movies is also partially due to women's secret fantasy of finding an innocent, "nice-guy" and taking his virginity.
Maybe these women have an incel fetish.
After all, in most of these movies the man "wins" by getting into a long-term relationship with the female, so, in a way, the female wins too.
But the theory of the fetishization of male virginity would be incomplete without the inclusion of-
3. The Fetishization of Female Virginity
Sexual fetishes are interesting because a lot of times they are dual; they go both ways.
Men who have sex with other men (gays) and women who have sex with other women (lesbians).
People who receive pleasure from pain (masochists) and people who receive pleasure from doling out pain (sadists).
People who are dominant and people who are submissive.
This, of course, means that, if there truly is a fetish for male virginity, there should likewise be a fetish for female virginity.Well, my friend, you've come to the right place:
- In 2008, a 22-year-old college student auctioned her virginity. The highest bid? $3.8 million
- In 2018, the "teen" category on PornHub received 33.5 billion visits
- In 1998, Randy Wilson held the first purity ball where fathers pledged to "protect their daughter's virginities"
- And, of course, Hymen repair surgery remains an option at plastic surgery clinics across North America.
The only question that remains is: is the opposite true?
Conclusion
Alright, I think you get the point of my post; women definitely have some sort of attraction towards men who are virgins, whether or not they admit it openly.
But what the hell are we supposed to do about this?
In my opinion, the answer is simple.
We, as a society, have to begin to have more tolerance for males who are virgins.
Beethoven died a virgin.
Newton died a virgin.
IamSkippy ... is still alive, but is also a virgin.
So, maybe all involuntary celibates are not so bad after all.
Maybe once we start to realize our sexualities don't define us, we can start to have more open and honest conversations about them.
Maybe once we start tolerating each other again, on both sides, we will finally find peace.
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