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This is a subject that has been on my mind for a while now : the idea that talented people feel that they should not have to work for a living. That instead they should let us plebs figure out how to produce stuff and create wealth, so that they can take a cut and dedicate their time to exercising their talent for higher activities, be it art, science, etc. I call it Apollo's complex.

As I said I've been thinking about it for a while now, but I've only recently decided that I should really try to write about it after seeing this video :


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKANUMmXG_g


The attitude of this math professor in this video illustrates quite well what I want to describe. I think I encountered that attitude quite a few times, even IRL, for instance when talking with a guy who was whining about the huge salaries of soccer players. He was saying that it was not acceptable that an athlete was earning so much more than say a doctor. I, for one, thought that at least a soccer player does not steal anyone's money. I mean his salary does not come from taxes. To me that was the most important factor, but not for him. To him, the kind of work someone does should have an objective value, one that should not be determined by any market.

This leads me to the other source of media that motivated me to tackle this subject : soviet movies.

Lately I've been trying to learn Russian, so naturally as I was looking for Russian movies to watch, I was driven towards the Soviet ones. I'm not a big fan of communism, to put it mildly, but I've made the effort to watch these movies anyway. I was kind of surprised : life under USSR, at least as it was depicted in soviet movies, did not seem so different than life in the West. In particular, there was very much a class division between people. People had jobs, earned a salary and crucially, these salaries very much depended on the profession. Like in the first movie I watched, a very famous comedy in Russia, one of the characters is a surgeon and the other a teacher. At some point the surgeon alludes about how he earns much more than the teacher. I think that's the only point in the movie where they talk about salaries, but it immediately picked my curiosity. I thought "oh yeah, how did that use to work in the USSR?".

At that point I thought that salaries were just decided by the State somehow, and they had decided that surgeons were much more important than teachers.

Anyway, an other interesting movie in that matter was this one :


View: https://youtu.be/X7GuhjGZ-xs


Again, when watching this movie I was surprised how little different soviet society seemed at least in appearance. In particular, there were very well-off people, the so-called nomenklatura, and in fact a major aspect of the plot is young women trying to seduce members of the nomenklatura to eventually marry them.

So in the movie the two main female characters invite members of this high society : scientists, artists, athletes and even ... poets. Yes, even poets. Because in Soviet Russia, poets were a serious profession, and apparently they "earned" quite a lot of money.

This idea of poets being paid by the State, I had heard it before :


View: https://youtu.be/n30zO0ABFqc?t=2836


In 1934 Franklin Roosevelt, confronted with an unemployment larger than what we have now, went on the radio and he said to the American people : "if the private sector either cannot or will not hire the people then the government will do it thank you very much". Between 1934 and 1941, the government under Roosevelt [...] created 11 million jobs. 11 million jobs directly hired by the government to perform a task that the government assigned these people to do. They reclaimed all kinds of land, this was green green economics long before the term existed. They built many of the national parks in the West that many of you I know have enjoyed. One of the most creative programs ever devised in the United States : the WPA. Amazing program. The government hired actors, singers, sculptors, painters, poets... group them into troupes and hired them and sent them all over the United States, particularly into smaller towns and smaller cities which had never had an upper troop perform before, or poetry lessons for the public at the public library on Saturdays. There was a distribution of culture to the American people greater than anything we had had before and anything we've had since. Wow. And those people all had meaningful work and they all had an income which mean they all could maintain their mortgage payments and didn't lose their homes and they felt real good about themselves and all of that transmitted itself somewhere the American people understand at least the following question : why in the world hasn't that been done again?

I highlighted the two mentions of poetry. When I first heard that I thought it was odd, but I didn't think much of it. When later on I heard this idea again in the soviet movie mentioned above, it occurred to me that poetry might be some kind of a litmus test for a truly socialist regime : when there is such a thing as State-funded poetry, you know you are for sure in a socialist country.

Yet, above all I realized that I was mistaken about what communism, socialism or whatever. It was not so much about the ownership of capital from individuals, as again as I said when watching soviet movies I realized that there were definitely people owning much more than others. I started to think that maybe, just maybe, the real goal was to control who, that is what kind of person, can own wealth.

"To each according to his abilities", is a saying often heard in the left. But abilities to do what? Certainly not to earn money, otherwise the system would not make sense : why testing someone abilities to make money if it's to decide how much to pay him? If he can make money, just let him do so. The proof will be in the pudding.

No, the point is to make sure that certain abilities, which are deemed more valuable, dare I say more noble, are rewarded more than others that are deemed disgraceful, vile or menial. Like a mathematics professor versus a fast-food restaurant manager, as in the first video above.

Science, art, sport... all represent an ideal of what mankind can achieve, and naturally mankind wants to reward such activities, even if they do not translate into economic activity. A poet for instance produces something beautiful, sure, but also something that can not easily be sold : people can learn poems by heart and thus share them for free.

That's why I call it Apollo's complex. Apollo is the god of music, poetry and light. He brings knowledge and beauty. He is often associated with the Sun, which provides its light and warmth for free. The thing about Apollo is that what he produces can be shared. Knowledge is hard to create, but easy to distribute. You know how something seems clear once it was explained to you? That's what the symbolism of the light is : what you see was there all along, but you didn't know it was there until someone shone a light upon it.

So we should be grateful to Apollo. The question is : how much grateful? And what do we do to people who refuse to give him anything? Poetry is a fine art, but I'm not ok to pay taxes to pay a poet's salary. I'm sure some people would think the same about mathematicians. At the extreme, should scientists and artists be allowed to pretty much enslave all other human beings, those who have no intellectual talent ? It very much seems to me that this is what communism really is about. And, dare I say, the direction towards which our so-called "elites" currently want to lead the World.
 
Bitch nigga the reason you had english class in school was to learn to fcuking get to the point when writting.
Beginning -> nice quick main part with condensed straight to the point stuff -> conclusion and end.

If people want more then they read the appendix where you go deeper like what the fcuk you doing here bitch nigga.

Dont write long shit which nobody reads. Some people wont read all that and skip this post
 
Communism bad, but unironically.
 
Bitch nigga the reason you had english class in school was to learn to fcuking get to the point when writting.
Beginning -> nice quick main part with condensed straight to the point stuff -> conclusion and end.

If people want more then they read the appendix where you go deeper like what the fcuk you doing here bitch nigga.

Dont write long shit which nobody reads. Some people wont read all that and skip this post
My first parargraph summed up my theory.

The rest was meant to argument and illustrate.
 
My first parargraph summed up my theory.

The rest was meant to argument and illustrate.
Okay cool.

Interesting post. So if our current elites want to lead us towards a communist system that means they decide who is even worthy of been a poet or mathematician in the first place.
 
Interesting post. So if our current elites want to lead us towards a communist system that means they decide who is even worthy of been a poet or mathematician in the first place.

Everybody can write poetry or do math, but the State will decide who gets rewarded for that with money stolen from the plebs.
 
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poland has a tax on every electronic device and that tax money goes to "artists"

fuck communist countries.
 
This is a subject that has been on my mind for a while now : the idea that talented people feel that they should not have to work for a living. That instead they should let us plebs figure out how to produce stuff and create wealth, so that they can take a cut and dedicate their time to exercising their talent for higher activities, be it art, science, etc. I call it Apollo's complex.

As I said I've been thinking about it for a while now, but I've only recently decided that I should really try to write about it after seeing this video :


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKANUMmXG_g


The attitude of this math professor in this video illustrates quite well what I want to describe. I think I encountered that attitude quite a few times, even IRL, for instance when talking with a guy who was whining about the huge salaries of soccer players. He was saying that it was not acceptable that an athlete was earning so much more than say a doctor. I, for one, thought that at least a soccer player does not steal anyone's money. I mean his salary does not come from taxes. To me that was the most important factor, but not for him. To him, the kind of work someone does should have an objective value, one that should not be determined by any market.

This leads me to the other source of media that motivated me to tackle this subject : soviet movies.

Lately I've been trying to learn Russian, so naturally as I was looking for Russian movies to watch, I was driven towards the Soviet ones. I'm not a big fan of communism, to put it mildly, but I've made the effort to watch these movies anyway. I was kind of surprised : life under USSR, at least as it was depicted in soviet movies, did not seem so different than life in the West. In particular, there was very much a class division between people. People had jobs, earned a salary and crucially, these salaries very much depended on the profession. Like in the first movie I watched, a very famous comedy in Russia, one of the characters is a surgeon and the other a teacher. At some point the surgeon alludes about how he earns much more than the teacher. I think that's the only point in the movie where they talk about salaries, but it immediately picked my curiosity. I thought "oh yeah, how did that use to work in the USSR?".

At that point I thought that salaries were just decided by the State somehow, and they had decided that surgeons were much more important than teachers.

Anyway, an other interesting movie in that matter was this one :


View: https://youtu.be/X7GuhjGZ-xs


Again, when watching this movie I was surprised how little different soviet society seemed at least in appearance. In particular, there were very well-off people, the so-called nomenklatura, and in fact a major aspect of the plot is young women trying to seduce members of the nomenklatura to eventually marry them.

So in the movie the two main female characters invite members of this high society : scientists, artists, athletes and even ... poets. Yes, even poets. Because in Soviet Russia, poets were a serious profession, and apparently they "earned" quite a lot of money.

This idea of poets being paid by the State, I had heard it before :


View: https://youtu.be/n30zO0ABFqc?t=2836




I highlighted the two mentions of poetry. When I first heard that I thought it was odd, but I didn't think much of it. When later on I heard this idea again in the soviet movie mentioned above, it occurred to me that poetry might be some kind of a litmus test for a truly socialist regime : when there is such a thing as State-funded poetry, you know you are for sure in a socialist country.

Yet, above all I realized that I was mistaken about what communism, socialism or whatever. It was not so much about the ownership of capital from individuals, as again as I said when watching soviet movies I realized that there were definitely people owning much more than others. I started to think that maybe, just maybe, the real goal was to control who, that is what kind of person, can own wealth.

"To each according to his abilities", is a saying often heard in the left. But abilities to do what? Certainly not to earn money, otherwise the system would not make sense : why testing someone abilities to make money if it's to decide how much to pay him? If he can make money, just let him do so. The proof will be in the pudding.

No, the point is to make sure that certain abilities, which are deemed more valuable, dare I say more noble, are rewarded more than others that are deemed disgraceful, vile or menial. Like a mathematics professor versus a fast-food restaurant manager, as in the first video above.

Science, art, sport... all represent an ideal of what mankind can achieve, and naturally mankind wants to reward such activities, even if they do not translate into economic activity. A poet for instance produces something beautiful, sure, but also something that can not easily be sold : people can learn poems by heart and thus share them for free.

That's why I call it Apollo's complex. Apollo is the god of music, poetry and light. He brings knowledge and beauty. He is often associated with the Sun, which provides its light and warmth for free. The thing about Apollo is that what he produces can be shared. Knowledge is hard to create, but easy to distribute. You know how something seems clear once it was explained to you? That's what the symbolism of the light is : what you see was there all along, but you didn't know it was there until someone shone a light upon it.

So we should be grateful to Apollo. The question is : how much grateful? And what do we do to people who refuse to give him anything? Poetry is a fine art, but I'm not ok to pay taxes to pay a poet's salary. I'm sure some people would think the same about mathematicians. At the extreme, should scientists and artists be allowed to pretty much enslave all other human beings, those who have no intellectual talent ? It very much seems to me that this is what communism really is about. And, dare I say, the direction towards which our so-called "elites" currently want to lead the World.

The privileged mostly imo
 
Everybody can write poetry or do math, but the State will decide who gets rewarded for that with money stolen from the plebs.
Yeah thats what I really wanted to say. Even if for example I can write good poetry, it still boils down to the fact that some civil servant decides who is "worthy " of been allocated the states resources.

So the well connected and their extended families win regardless. In this regard I prefer the capitalism of the 80's tbh. At least then the playing field was open to us, if we saved we could also buy trucks and start working for self for example. Today less so.
 
Yeah thats what I really wanted to say. Even if for example I can write good poetry, it still boils down to the fact that some civil servant decides who is "worthy " of been allocated the states resources.

So the well connected and their extended families win regardless. In this regard I prefer the capitalism of the 80's tbh. At least then the playing field was open to us, if we saved we could also buy trucks and start working for self for example. Today less so.

Maybe one day we'll have impartial ways of judging the quality of an artistic production (perhaps with AI or something), then the economic model could be based on competition, like in sports. The money would come from sponsors, spectators and competitors, all of them paying voluntarily.
 
Maybe one day we'll have impartial ways of judging the quality of an artistic production (perhaps with AI or something), then the economic model could be based on competition, like in sports. The money would come from sponsors, spectators and competitors, all of them paying voluntarily.
True statement there and I agree with you. Infact there are multiple metrics and models with which to judge a mans capabilities and talents. However, the bottom line and which I regret to state is that a civil servant must still sign off on the dotted line and they are part of a group that obviously put their interests and those of their groups extended families above all others interests. That is the reason I personally percieve the communist model as unjust and prefer an economic system that is a mix of capitalism and communism. I must admit that I am neither a scholar nor passionate about politics and economics so I guess there are a multitude of models with which to mix the positive aspects into the economic system which I alluded to as my preferance.
 

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