https://incels.is/threads/universit...oclaimed-christian-womens-promiscuity.121591/
^^^ This thread is following on from the previous thread ^^^
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/mq...Q9s29JwKd-E9-CnExsn4pJWcjOG5Rp&__tn[/B]=*NK-R
"Wow I managed to trigger a lot of people with my first post, thought I would follow up to clarify a few things. TLDR: Christian guy considering converting to Islam in order to find a likeminded partner who adheres to traditional morality. Many seemed to be offended by the idea of converting for moral reasons or in order to find a likeminded partner, stating that I would be converting for the wrong reasons. I find the idea that there is a right reason to convert absurd, many people change faiths throughout their lives especially as a result of finding a partner.
This isn’t a decision I came to over night, I have studied both Christianity and Islam extensively as well as various other faiths as I am open to questioning my upbringing and current worldview. When comparing Christianity and Islam I have noticed that many moral values are similar and that there is an underlying perennial truth associated with both traditions. I have faith in god and the traditional values that religious individuals are called to uphold, whether you call these values Christian or Islamic they are still the same values.
I noticed both Muslims and Christians doubting my faith, saying I wasn’t genuine in either. I’m not going to pretend to be religious to get a girl... my interest in Islam is not just about women, more so the strength and devotion that adherents show to god and his teachings. As a Christian i have experienced so many lukewarm Christians who do not stand for the traditional values found in their faith. I am seeking truth and if christians are not willing to stand up for traditional values then Islam may be the correct way to honour god. If converting due to a belief in the moral teachings of Islam is not the right reason to convert then what other reason is there? Do you honestly expect someone to just blindly follow a belief system without questioning things? You can’t just expect someone who is interested in converting to embrace a new faith and culture without daring to question the devotion of current adherents.
Many Christians highlighted how I was hypocritical for wanting a religious girl whilst questioning my own faith, but my faith in objective morality has never wavered and I hate to break it to you but the average Christian in this country is not even willing to wait until marriage. I’m not giving up on Christianity yet, was just hoping to hear that there are still devout Christians out there. Instead it seems a lot of Christians were offended that anyone would dare question their faith. Just seems like the usual retorts from Christians when being called out for not adhering to moral teachings, “you can’t judge, don’t be proud, we are all sinners”, to me those are just excuses for relativism. I am catholic not Protestant, the idea that faith alone is enough and that you can just ignore Christian morality is heretical and is just another example of being worldly. Others said that I just wanted a submissive girl, but that is far from the religious view of marriage. Men and women compliment such other, of course I am willing to give my all to the right person. Wanting to find a partner with similar morals does not mean submissive.
To those that called me an incel, this is just another form of virgin shaming to make you feel better about your previous mistakes. Belittling people who value abstinence is petty and it shows how you buy into the misogynistic idea that men are valued by their notch count. Using women for sex is not an honourable endeavour and I would rather stay single than treat a women like that. It really speaks volumes when the only insult you have implies that women are objects to be used and that men need to prove their masculinity by treating women without dignity. I am comfortable enough with who I am to not waste my time pumping and dumping women to prove to strangers on the internet that I’m a “real man”.
To the cuck that said “Don’t force your sexist and religious views on other people”. Having moral standards for a partner is not sexist... if I was a women I would have the same standards for a male partner. I’m not forcing my views on anyone... if you don’t like religion then keep scrolling. Some people got triggered by the use of the word feminist, obviously women should be treating with respect in society but the feminist movement is anathema to religious tradition as it glorifies promiscuity, abortion, no fault divorce and other worldly views.
Another person said that I was wrong to believe that women who don’t follow my ideology aren’t worth dating. Please explain how I am supposed to save sex for marriage with someone who is pushing for sex and is not willing to wait? That’s just logically impossible, of course I’m looking to date someone who shares my values isn’t that was everyone is doing? If I had written this from the perspective of a women, everyone would be saying how awful men are for pushing sex and not respecting a woman’s boundaries. They also said that I value women less if they don’t want children, well of course I’m not going to date someone who doesn’t want children I can’t force them into wanting kids if they aren’t interested. If you don’t fit these standards that’s fine, you do you but I’m not going to waste time when we have fundamentally different worldviews. Why do women get offended when men have standards? I’m not trying to force my views on anyone just interested in seeing if there are any likeminded people who believe strongly in abstinence and family. All I see on this page is “men have to be 6 foot” but as soon as a guy dares to have standards regarding promiscuity everyone shows up to white knight. Having standards is not sexist, women should have standards too.
At the end of the day we are all trying to seek truth, as a religious guy I support traditional values but am torn between Christianity and Islam as I grew up a Christian but have noticed the severe lack of Christians that take these teachings seriously. I don’t want to go to church and find I’m the only person under 50 there, or have our sacred tradition turned into a pop concert through some new age cult like Hillsong. For me traditional moral values are the most important part about religion as simply saying you believe whilst blatantly contradicting moral teachings is not good enough. I’m not trying to intentionally offend anyone, if you are easily offended then it’s time to grow up. Just curious to know whether there are any christians still waiting until marriage and to compare these findings to other faiths. Having studied many religious traditions I admire all of them and was just wondering which groups take traditional morality seriously. So instead of hearing from a bunch of fragile atheists or lukewarm christians who don’t value abstinence, it would be more productive to hear from those that adhere to tradition. Honestly if you are offended by other people seeking abstinence or having standards then this post is not for you."
^^^ This thread is following on from the previous thread ^^^
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/mq...Q9s29JwKd-E9-CnExsn4pJWcjOG5Rp&__tn[/B]=*NK-R
"Wow I managed to trigger a lot of people with my first post, thought I would follow up to clarify a few things. TLDR: Christian guy considering converting to Islam in order to find a likeminded partner who adheres to traditional morality. Many seemed to be offended by the idea of converting for moral reasons or in order to find a likeminded partner, stating that I would be converting for the wrong reasons. I find the idea that there is a right reason to convert absurd, many people change faiths throughout their lives especially as a result of finding a partner.
This isn’t a decision I came to over night, I have studied both Christianity and Islam extensively as well as various other faiths as I am open to questioning my upbringing and current worldview. When comparing Christianity and Islam I have noticed that many moral values are similar and that there is an underlying perennial truth associated with both traditions. I have faith in god and the traditional values that religious individuals are called to uphold, whether you call these values Christian or Islamic they are still the same values.
I noticed both Muslims and Christians doubting my faith, saying I wasn’t genuine in either. I’m not going to pretend to be religious to get a girl... my interest in Islam is not just about women, more so the strength and devotion that adherents show to god and his teachings. As a Christian i have experienced so many lukewarm Christians who do not stand for the traditional values found in their faith. I am seeking truth and if christians are not willing to stand up for traditional values then Islam may be the correct way to honour god. If converting due to a belief in the moral teachings of Islam is not the right reason to convert then what other reason is there? Do you honestly expect someone to just blindly follow a belief system without questioning things? You can’t just expect someone who is interested in converting to embrace a new faith and culture without daring to question the devotion of current adherents.
Many Christians highlighted how I was hypocritical for wanting a religious girl whilst questioning my own faith, but my faith in objective morality has never wavered and I hate to break it to you but the average Christian in this country is not even willing to wait until marriage. I’m not giving up on Christianity yet, was just hoping to hear that there are still devout Christians out there. Instead it seems a lot of Christians were offended that anyone would dare question their faith. Just seems like the usual retorts from Christians when being called out for not adhering to moral teachings, “you can’t judge, don’t be proud, we are all sinners”, to me those are just excuses for relativism. I am catholic not Protestant, the idea that faith alone is enough and that you can just ignore Christian morality is heretical and is just another example of being worldly. Others said that I just wanted a submissive girl, but that is far from the religious view of marriage. Men and women compliment such other, of course I am willing to give my all to the right person. Wanting to find a partner with similar morals does not mean submissive.
To those that called me an incel, this is just another form of virgin shaming to make you feel better about your previous mistakes. Belittling people who value abstinence is petty and it shows how you buy into the misogynistic idea that men are valued by their notch count. Using women for sex is not an honourable endeavour and I would rather stay single than treat a women like that. It really speaks volumes when the only insult you have implies that women are objects to be used and that men need to prove their masculinity by treating women without dignity. I am comfortable enough with who I am to not waste my time pumping and dumping women to prove to strangers on the internet that I’m a “real man”.
To the cuck that said “Don’t force your sexist and religious views on other people”. Having moral standards for a partner is not sexist... if I was a women I would have the same standards for a male partner. I’m not forcing my views on anyone... if you don’t like religion then keep scrolling. Some people got triggered by the use of the word feminist, obviously women should be treating with respect in society but the feminist movement is anathema to religious tradition as it glorifies promiscuity, abortion, no fault divorce and other worldly views.
Another person said that I was wrong to believe that women who don’t follow my ideology aren’t worth dating. Please explain how I am supposed to save sex for marriage with someone who is pushing for sex and is not willing to wait? That’s just logically impossible, of course I’m looking to date someone who shares my values isn’t that was everyone is doing? If I had written this from the perspective of a women, everyone would be saying how awful men are for pushing sex and not respecting a woman’s boundaries. They also said that I value women less if they don’t want children, well of course I’m not going to date someone who doesn’t want children I can’t force them into wanting kids if they aren’t interested. If you don’t fit these standards that’s fine, you do you but I’m not going to waste time when we have fundamentally different worldviews. Why do women get offended when men have standards? I’m not trying to force my views on anyone just interested in seeing if there are any likeminded people who believe strongly in abstinence and family. All I see on this page is “men have to be 6 foot” but as soon as a guy dares to have standards regarding promiscuity everyone shows up to white knight. Having standards is not sexist, women should have standards too.
At the end of the day we are all trying to seek truth, as a religious guy I support traditional values but am torn between Christianity and Islam as I grew up a Christian but have noticed the severe lack of Christians that take these teachings seriously. I don’t want to go to church and find I’m the only person under 50 there, or have our sacred tradition turned into a pop concert through some new age cult like Hillsong. For me traditional moral values are the most important part about religion as simply saying you believe whilst blatantly contradicting moral teachings is not good enough. I’m not trying to intentionally offend anyone, if you are easily offended then it’s time to grow up. Just curious to know whether there are any christians still waiting until marriage and to compare these findings to other faiths. Having studied many religious traditions I admire all of them and was just wondering which groups take traditional morality seriously. So instead of hearing from a bunch of fragile atheists or lukewarm christians who don’t value abstinence, it would be more productive to hear from those that adhere to tradition. Honestly if you are offended by other people seeking abstinence or having standards then this post is not for you."
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