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Discussion Captialism and Hypergamy

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I’m sure that tons of people smarter than me wrote on this, but I wouldn’t mind engaging in a discussion here.
Here’s what I find true:

Similarities.

1) Predetermined success.
The easiest way to become rich is to be born rich. Outside of that, your earning ability is defined by your genetics and early upbringing – many high paying positions are walled off if you don’t have the proper intelligence, physique, looks, background.
Social mobility is real, but your chances are equally limited – if anything, class ascension is harder than having something as trivial as sex.
Hopefully, I don’t have to explain to you how inceldom is not something that you can choose.

2) Huge overlap in issues and dynamics.
The second point dubs the first quite a bit, but I think it’s worth pointing out how we might as well be talking about the same thing – because we do, it’s the society. Men and the proletariat, incels and the marginalized – the lines here are extremely blurry, the Venn diagram is essentially a circle.

3) The way systems defend themselves.
Capitalism has many defenders: the police, the media, the academia, the MIC, the professional-managerial class etc. Even the weird online people who fashion themselves conservative, libertarian, liberal or whatever else are all on it as well.
Most of the parties listed above defend the hypergamy too, and they even use the same arguments: according to them, you should “pull yourself up by your bootstraps”, “chin up”, “stop blaming others for your own failures”. That’s as bluepilled as it gets.

4) The Resistance.
Many governments claim to be socialist, or at least social democratic, but they all engage in capitalism in one way or the other, similarly to how many socially conservative countries are seen as “patriarchal”, but still grant women enormous privileges and don’t clamp down on sex liberation.
Many anti-capitalist groups mostly function as social clubs, merely allowing their members to vent their frustrations with the system. Does that remind you of anything?

Differences (or self-critique).

Sex having is a more drastic cut-off than class. You can be relatively well-off, but you can’t be a “little bit” incel. You either are or you’re not.
Incels, though not all, can still moneymaxx.
Lots of women are considered working class and still have to work for the living (on easy mode though).
Also, tons of marginalized people still manage to have sex, inceldom is a lot more complex than not fitting in the society.
Politically speaking, normie right-wingers are more sympathetic to incels, and vice versa. I guess it has something to do with the fact that political camps are full of brain-dead intellectually inconsistent people suffering from cognitive dissonance. Partisan politics are just a tool of control, at the end of the day.
Race factors quite a bit in both inceldom and poverty, but I didn't think of the way that I could write about it.
 
There are no real capitalist countries, because almost 50% of our money go to taxes. We live in socialism. I don't like police, but that's who our taxes fund, and single mom whores.
 
Many anti-capitalist groups mostly function as social clubs, merely allowing their members to vent their frustrations with the system. Does that remind you of anything?
Imagine our own people wanting to "deradicalize" us when even our venting clubs are infiltrator infested and most people have surrendered already anyway...
There are no real capitalist countries, because almost 50% of our money go to taxes. We live in socialism. I don't like police, but that's who our taxes fund, and single mom whores.
I wouldn't call it Socialism. Ugly, poor men basically get no real help at all. The taxes don't really benefit the wageslaves. High taxes isn't socialism, feudal kings could have high taxes and nobody says they were Socialist.
 
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There are no real capitalist countries, because almost 50% of our money go to taxes
It sounds like "not real capitalism/socialism" fallacy, but alright.
Nations with weak governments just don't look good or "real capitalist" no matter where you're coming from.
Ugly, poor men basically get no real help at all. The taxes don't really benefit the wageslaves. High taxes isn't socialism, feudal kings could have high taxes and nobody says they were Socialist.
True. But even countries that do believe in real welfare still tend to be extremely open to market economics (mainly the Nordic ones, they get mentioned way too many times in debates like this).
 
The biggest similarity is that the sexual market functions just like any economic market and is driven by supply and demand. This is probably one of the most taboo truths the blackpill has to offer and soyciety tries to suppress this knowledge as much as possible. Why? Because the kikes in power push socialism as much as possible (because in effect socialism = money transfer from men to women -> women spend much more money -> money lands in kike pockets), so if the economic and sexual market functions the same and unregulated economic markets are BAD then the logical next step is to question what's so bad about regulating the sexual market i.e. sexual socialism. This is what they don't want you to know.
 
True. But even countries that do believe in real welfare still tend to be extremely open to market economics (mainly the Nordic ones, they get mentioned way too many times in debates like this).
The funny thing is the workers in the Nordic countries would have even more benefits and better lives if they owned the means of production.

It's one thing be a wageslave forced to live in poverty as an incel until you die, it's another thing doing it without real healthcare (America), and it's another thing knowing your wageslaving supports the people who hate you the most (EunusPill).
 
The biggest similarity is that the sexual market functions just like any economic market and is driven by supply and demand. This is probably one of the most taboo truths the blackpill has to offer and soyciety tries to suppress this knowledge as much as possible.
100%. FTC and IRS for pussy would just be mild reform.
Feminists say shit like "don't objectify me" without going anywhere deep.
EunusPill
:feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha:
 
It sounds like "not real capitalism/socialism" fallacy, but alright.
Nations with weak governments just don't look good or "real capitalist" no matter where you're coming from.
If every country is run by a government then only the strong governments will be on top. A libertarian country with almost no government intervention or corruption will be the best place for capitalism to flourish. Capitalism is natural, you get paid what you earn voluntarily, and not depend on a crooked government to artificially control economics.
 
If every country is run by a government then only the strong governments will be on top
True.
A libertarian country with almost no government intervention or corruption will be the best place for capitalism to flourish. Capitalism is natural
It seems weird to call capitalism natural when the prerequisites for its success must come from suppression of human lust for power.
 
It seems weird to call capitalism natural when the prerequisites for its success must come from suppression of human lust for power.
Only a few people will have power in communism, so the power would be distributed more fairly in capitalism, because everyone can have a chance to succeed without the government restricting them with their cucked regulations and taxes.
 
Only a few people will have power in communism
They're calling for a classless society, similarly to what capitalismmaxxers say they want
so the power would be distributed more fairly in capitalism, because everyone can have a chance to succeed without the government restricting them with their cucked regulations and taxes
The Pareto principle works even with equal chances for success.
It seems like you still need an overarching authority to build the society from scratch and achieve your starting point for your kind of capitalism. Which, again, is what socialists want too.
 
I have a lot to talk about this but I don't have time right now. I'll just touch on two topics.

There is this concept called reserve army of labor which explains how capitalism actually benefits from some degree of unemployment. The idea is, if you keep a percentage of your population unemployed and desperate for a job, that allows you to exploit your workers as hard as possible because if they unionize and demand higher wages or benefits, you can simply remind them that at any time there are thousands if not millions of people willing to take their place. In short, the unemployed serve as a reminder for the working class that they are essentially replaceable.
At that point it becomes a balancing act, you can't have the entire population unemployed because you need workers, but you can't have the entire population employed either because at one point you get diminishing returns.
Compare the reserve army of labor to bluepilled simps who can't get pussy and workers to betabuxx.

Another concept is the falling rate of profit. The idea is, in the initial stages of capitalism opening your business is quite easy and done with little initial capital investment. But due to competition, businesses are incentivized to employ more advanced machinery, more land, etc to produce goods at a cheaper cost and become more profitable. While effective in the short term, it will be inevitably copied by the competitors in the long term causing a shift in the social standard. As time goes on the amount of capital (e.g. machinery, etc) required to open and run a business increases while the prices falls leading to big monopolies, duopolies, etc that we see today. Essentially market competition seeks to eliminate itself.
Compare that with men's self-improvement and the ability to get a girl.
 
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The Pareto principle works even with equal chances for success.
It seems like you still need an overarching authority to build the society from scratch and achieve your starting point for your kind of capitalism. Which, again, is what socialists want too.
We don't have to build one from scratch. We can take over an already made society by getting rid of the socialist government, and making it so there is no more involuntary taxation and control over the economy.
 
that's why I'm a communist economically and sexually.
 
I have a lot to talk about this but I don't have time right now. I'll just touch on two topics.
Understandable, but your contribution is nonetheless great :feelsautistic:
There are many things in the contemporary economic science that apply to sexual market, because, well, it's a market.
Behavioral economics is basically blackpill in academic terms.
We can take over an already made society by getting rid of the socialist government, and making it so there is no more involuntary taxation and control over the economy.
Again, the "making it so" part is the one that causes problems. You need an organized movement to establish an overarching authority that would set things "right" - that's literally just reinventing the government.
 
Again, the "making it so" part is the one that causes problems. You need an organized movement to establish an overarching authority that would set things "right" - that's literally just reinventing the government.
The people will be the overarching authority, and decide to kick the government out themselves, by refusing to pay taxes or follow the cucked laws. There aren't enough jails for 10s of millions of people in a country.
 
The people will be the overarching authority, and decide to kick the government out themselves, by refusing to pay taxes or follow the cucked laws. There aren't enough jails for 10s of millions of people in a country.
Did that ever happen in history? The best example I can think off is the boycott of apartheid South Africa :lul: and even that is nowhere near close (because it had lots of governments participating in it worldwide).
 
Did that ever happen in history? The best example I can think off is the boycott of apartheid South Africa :lul: and even that is nowhere near close (because it had lots of governments participating in it worldwide).
These days we have the internet to gather more uncucked government boycotters. The reason why they're trying to exterminate us with the vaccine is because they know they can't stop this from happening unless they kill or disable us.
 
In capitalism, markets are unregulated or tacitly so. This inevitably creates an ever-increasing concentration of wealth in a super rich elite. Likewise, the increasing moral decay (capitalist deregulation) of sex and relationship markets has allowed Chads (the super rich) to increasingly own a larger share of resources (women) in the market. The reason the 80/20 rule exists among incels is because thats how unregulated markets aggregate to.
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foids are meta
 
I’m sure that tons of people smarter than me wrote on this
The ur-quote for me is Houellebecq:

"...in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization. Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. It's what's known as 'the law of the market'. In an economic system where unfair dismissal is prohibited, every person more or less manages to find their place. In a sexual system where adultery is prohibited, every person more or less manages to find their bed mate. In a totally liberal sexual system certain people have a varied and exciting erotic life; others are reduced to masturbation and solitude. Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society."

Sex having is a more drastic cut-off than class. You can be relatively well-off, but you can’t be a “little bit” incel. You either are or you’re not.
Women have sexual capital; men have economic capital. Women, however, have been more successful at fencing out the paupers.

Also, tons of marginalized people still manage to have sex, inceldom is a lot more complex than not fitting in the society.
It's not that complex. If you aren't attractive you don't have sexual value; if you aren't neurotypical you don't have social value. Combined, you're ostracized.

Politically speaking, normie right-wingers are more sympathetic to incels, and vice versa.
I think it's pretty straightforward here: the left is gynocentric, dominated by women. It abhors and abuses (male) sexual paupers as much as a capitalist system does poor people.
 

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