News BETTER debunking of the incel son story (long read)

[Deleted member 677]

@Master did an okay job IMO, but he also relied too heavily on "this didn't happen because personality" with little to no further explanation. I did my own debunking of this story, trying not to repeat Master's points.

His hygiene was bad, and he was always confrontational when we told him to shower or do laundry. His room stank horribly and we eventually had a huge fight over it where he physically shoved my wife and called her a bitch, and eventually we got him to at least clean and air out his room regularly on the grounds that it was our house and if he couldn’t maintain his space he wouldn’t be entitled to it - essentially we got to the point where we told him he wouldn’t be allowed his worldly possessions or privacy unless he took care of the space we all shared. the room still smelled and he was still rude about cleaning it but we could tell him to get it clean and he would do it after that.

Every teenage boy's room stinks because we masturbate and sweat on our bedsheets and blankets and barely ever wash them (How often do you wash your sheets and blankets vs. your clothes?). Your son isn't unique in that matter.

Hopeful incels with bad hygiene is a CuckTears-perpetrated myth. Any incel who hasn't given up yet would be extremely self-conscious about how he smells. I highly doubt he was completely blackpilled at age 14.

What really surprises me is your reaction to him shoving and degrading his mother. Some incels might get angry enough to attack their own mothers, but you're saying that it was just a random attack on a random day without any previous noteworthy rage-filled arguments between him and her? I call BS. And you also never mentioned giving him any sort of punishment for the alleged act. Are you trying to convince us that you, as a father, let your son get off scot-free for verbally and physically abusing his own mother? Yeah, okay.

We ended up getting a call from his school saying that a female student felt harassed by him. We were shown messages where he continually badgered her to have sex with him, threatened to “punish” her for stringing him along, sending her unsolicited nudes, telling her some violent fantasies of his, and eventually just descending into some horrid rage-filled rant about how she is just another “whore” and other things.

We were shocked. We explained to him why this behaviour was unacceptable, and I explained to him that it was ok to be sexually active but his actions were toxic and abusive.

That kind of behavior would 100% earn him a suspension, or even an expulsion and a possible restraining order or harassment charges if her parents were paranoid enough. Given your precise attention to detail writing this story (another red flag), I find it odd that you only mentioned getting a phone call and that was the end of it.

Unlike @Master, I don't completely dismiss the possibility of this happening, but I highly doubt it. A teenage incel would almost always care about his reputation and this, along with attacking his mother, would be behaviors only exhibited during a total mental breakdown/hitting rock bottom, something you would have definitely recognized beforehand. I'm also surprised you wouldn't send him to therapy at that point. Also,

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After that I caught him sniffing his sister’s panties in the laundry room - she was 12 at the time and he was 17. He assured me it had nothing to do with his sister, he said he just had a panty sniffing fetish and he pretended they belonged to girls from porno videos, but still I gave him hell for it, and he was grounded and lost his computer for 6 months. I went through his computer and I was disgusted by the kinds of hateful, racist, incel forums he frequented, the horrid things he said about women, and his save file was full of cartoon porn with girls of questionable ages. I wiped the hard drive completely and began strictly monitoring his online activity. I used parental filters to block incel sites and and porn sites that hosted cartoon porn.

Sorry but anyone doing something that taboo would not do it in such a vulnerable area. Do you think we're that dumb to believe that a horny teenage boy wouldn't understand the concept of a locked door?

You would also never have discovered his porn collection, forum usage, or which accounts were his on said forum because no, let me repeat: NO teenage boy is stupid enough not to have a password for his computer, especially one with such sensitive information, or share his password with anyone.

But after all that supposedly happened, you still didn't get him any professional help? Cool story bro.

The next big issue was something he did to my daughter’s friend. My daughter is 5 years his junior, and one day after a sleepover, my daughter came to me and said her friend wanted to tell me something but was afraid of what I would say.

My son cornered this 13 year old girl and physically blocked her path and touched her hair and face while making very inappropriate comments about her body and asking her if she liked to sleep naked and what kind of underwear she wore.

I tore into my son for that, my wife and I both shouted at him, and told him his behaviour was horrible and I told him then that if his actions got him arrested I would not defend him. He accused us of not loving him, but I told him the reason I was so passionately angry in that situation is because I do love him, and I want to help him become a good man so he can stop being so predatory and bitter and miserable. I told him some hard truths. That he did this all to himself and that he is the only one he can blame for how bitter he is.

I invited my daughters friend over after and I personally apologized to her for her experiences, I cried in shame

Your story has a lot of holes in it. Was the sleepover at her friend's house? If so, I highly doubt any brother feels like visiting his little sister's sleepover, or could do so without raising eyebrows. If it was at your house, then I highly doubt that you or your wife wouldn't notice your angry son going into his sister's room or basement or whatever, and wouldn't have heard any sort of commotion. I also highly doubt that you would leave your obviously unstable son alone with his little sister, especially if you had earlier discovered him all up in her dirty underwear. Get real. This was not only written by an idiot, but a young and naive one too. Are you also saying that you never even spoke to the girl's parents? Do you seriously think that they'd would find out and just think "Whatever, I'm sure he's sorry." then let it go?

We got my son therapy but he refused to engage with the therapist, calling him a “sand nigger” and “pajeet” and “terrorist”. His next therapist was a “chad”, so he didn’t relate to that either.

We fought about him not trying, not getting a job, and he said he couldn’t get one because of the immigrants, to which I pointed out that he was struggling because he got fired from his high school jobs for being lazy.

I'm ROFLing because you're now not-so-subtly putting your political views in your fictional story. Have you ever even gotten a job? It takes a serious amount of ethic just to get one. To suggest that he'd have the work ethic to build a resume and get a job, then get fired for "being lazy", and then go and get another job and get fired for laziness, and continue the cycle is the most absurd thing I've ever read.

Unlike @Master, I don't doubt that him degrading his therapist could happen. But boy were you ever late sending him to therapy!

After those fights, my wife tried to empathize with him and understand what made him so bitter but he flipped out at her, and called her a cock-gargling whore and said that she fucked her way through dozens of men until she found a “beta-fag” who was willing to shelter her for missionary sex.
My wife, who works and contributes to the family income, who is an independent, professional woman.
Honestly, I lost it more than ever before. I had never been so angry when I heard what he said. That may be his mom, he may be my son, but the woman he was abusively tearing into is my god damn wife. No one can treat my wife like that.
I am ashamed to say in my anger, he shoved me and I physically retaliated, shoving him back, and pinning him against the wall. I felt ashamed of myself, I have never been an angry or violent person, but I couldn’t control myself. I’ve never put my hands on either of my children in such a way in my life, I hate child abusers... but this boy was no child. He was a grown man.

Sorry but any father would be a lot more outraged at a boy speaking like that to his mother and not "muh wife!". You physically confronting him is a bullshit contradictory story for reasons I'll explain later. Also,

My wife, who works and contributes to the family income, who is an independent, professional woman.

Gotta have feminism to make your story PC enough amirite?

My daughter has dated 3 people her whole life. A boy, a girl, and now another boy. We were as open about sex with my daughter as we were with my son. We asked if she would like to have a question-free steady supply of condoms left in her bathroom drawer, and if she wanted to get on birth control. She said no to both questions with her first boyfriend. She never really brought him home but we met him at one of her recitals. When she had a girlfriend she went over to her house all the time, and didn’t want to bring her to the same house her brother lived in, a sentiment I understood.

But her most recent boyfriend has a lot going on behind the scenes in his family. He’s a nice boy but his mom is a single mom of 4 and they struggle.

This boy started coming around a month after they got together. I like him. My daughter is happy with him. He treats her with respect. He is an intelligent boy. He’s an absolute gentleman. He’s respectful and polite in our home. He calls me sir, calls my wife Ma’am, he offers to help with the cooking or dishes or cleaning while he’s visiting, he talks to us, he’s a bit of an amateur cook himself and brings us food all the time to say thank you for taking care of him, when we go out for dinner he always offers to pay for himself and my daughter (though I know he doesn’t have much money so I always pay). When getting out of the car he opens the door for my wife and offers her his hand (he sits behind her for leg room). He holds the doors, when we leave somewhere he helps my daughter put her jacket on like those sweet old fashioned couples.

This young man works hard, and gives what little he has to his mom and siblings. Like I said, I really respect the boy. I offered him money once for groceries for his family but he turns me down and says he would feel guilty accepting my money like that. He’s appreciative of things - in the winter, it was -20 and he had only a hoodie, so I draped my jacket over his arms, and I said “take it son, it’s cold.” He had tears in his eyes as he said thank you, and I made some excuse about wanting to get rid of the jacket and told him he could keep it if he brought cookies for us next time he visited.

When Christmas came along, I invited him over for supper, and when I went to pick him up I delivered some presents for his family, and on the ride back to my house we had a moment. He was crying because he didn’t have much to give us - he got everyone in our house a present but he cried anyways because he felt it wasn’t enough to make up for what we gave him. I pulled over, and I just hugged him, and I said to him that it wasn’t the value of what he got, it was that he got us anything at all. I thanked him for treating my daughter so well, and I told him he would always be welcome in my home.

My own son didn’t get us anything for christmas, not even a card bought with the money we give him. This boy got my wife and I matching wine glasses since we like to share a bottle every now and then.

My son didn’t eat with us. He pillaged the food table and ran away to his room alone while my daughter’s boyfriend met my sister and her family and my parents and my uncle. They all told me how charming he was and how polite he was. Meanwhile after dinner my son told my 5 year old nephew “fuck off Faggot” for asking to play a game with him. A man over 20 years old.

It's almost like you're going through a PC checklist! A bisexual daughter and race-mixing with a non-thug black boy who's the perfect angel being tormented by an evil conservative white boy? ROFL.

You also seem way too obsessed with your daughter's black bf, dedicating six whole paragraphs to introducing him even though he isn't very relevant to the story.

He also never would have survived the walk to your house if he only had a sweater when it was -20°F. He would have either turned back or gotten frostbite or even hypothermia.

Last week, my wife and I went out for an evening to ourselves. We went to dinner, then we went to an upscale bar to play some pool, then we went home.

How is that relevant?

When I walked in the door, the kids were screaming at each other. I came in to see my son and my daughter’s boyfriend fighting. The boyfriend was just pushing my son back and trying to redirect him, my son was throwing punches and charging him. My daughter was crying and sitting against the wall clutching her face. I got between them and pushed them apart, and demanded to know what was happening.

My son went on a tirade about how he found birth control pills and heard “whore” sounds from her room, so he kicked open her door and discovered them having sex, he said he couldn’t believe his own sister would “be a nigger’s whore” and called the poor boy a monkey and other things.

That never happened. A sister would never have sex, especially loud sex, with only her brother in the house (or at least mine doesn't), and going back to what I said earlier, you wouldn't have ever left him alone with his sister, even with another boy in the house.

Have you ever even seen black people fight before? They do NOT fight defensively (i.e. holding you back or redirecting you). It's a fact of life.

I also forgot to mention earlier, you've cried twice in this story. Both times over trivial things that even a woman probably wouldn't cry about. You can check off "toxic masculinity" from the PC checklist!

The black boyfriend was also saying that the brother attacked his sister instead of him? Even though he was clearly angrier at him? Come on.

he admitted to ejaculating on her toothbrush and hair brush.

Semen stains would be very visible and hard to get out of a hairbrush. The writer is a confirmed female.

My wife and I then went through his room. My daughter’s boyfriend came over and helped me move his furniture to the garage. We threw out his mattress and some other more gross and smelly things, and we took out the carpet to be replaced.

Hidden in the closet was a treasure trove of my daughter’s underwear, so saturated with old, moldy semen that they were as hard as bricks. The unnerving part was that there were a few pairs my daughter was adamant didn’t belong to her. And they were too small for my wife. It was possible he stole them from my nieces.

There was a sketchbook containing graphic drawings of my son violently raping different women and keeping little girls chained up in some kind of sex dungeon. I went through his old phone that was still working, and all his photos were screenshots of my nieces and their friends in their bikinis, lots of cartoon porn, lots of red pill and incel and Trump memes. He still had messenger, so I checked his messages, most of them were just him trying to harass women and underaged girls.

"Treasure trove of his sister's underwear"? This is a confirmed fetish story. Nobody calls a discovery a "treasure trove" if he's disgusted by it. I'm also surprised that he left all that stuff behind, considering that it obviously meant a lot to him. And again, no. teenager. forgets. their. phone. or. leaves. it. unlocked.

You later explained that the reason your daughter knew he had her panties was:

my daughter and her boyfriend helped me clear his room since I cannot carry certain heavy things myself. My daughter was therefore present when I found her underwear. She singled out a couple of pairs as not hers and was scared of where he got them from.

So you're admittedly weaker than a teenage girl (Another PC check!) but earlier said that you bested your teenage son in a confrontation? Ha!

Given the overwhelming amount of unlikely events and inconsistencies, your story is ruled false.

 

[Oli Bomsa]

@Master did an okay job IMO, but he also relied too heavily on "this didn't happen because personality" with little to no further explanation. I did my own debunking of this story, trying not to repeat Master's points.


Every teenage boy's room stinks because we masturbate and sweat on our bedsheets and blankets and barely ever wash them (How often do you wash your sheets and blankets vs. your clothes?). Your son isn't unique in that matter.

Hopeful incels with bad hygiene is a CuckTears-perpetrated myth. Any incel who hasn't given up yet would be extremely self-conscious about how he smells. I highly doubt he was completely blackpilled at age 14.

What really surprises me is your reaction to him shoving and degrading his mother. Some incels might get angry enough to attack their own mothers, but you're saying that it was just a random attack on a random day without any previous noteworthy rage-filled arguments between him and her? I call BS. And you also never mentioned giving him any sort of punishment for the alleged act. Are you trying to convince us that you, as a father, let your son get off scot-free for verbally and physically abusing his own mother? Yeah, okay.



That kind of behavior would 100% earn him a suspension, or even an expulsion and a possible restraining order or harassment charges if her parents were paranoid enough. Given your precise attention to detail writing this story (another red flag), I find it odd that you only mentioned getting a phone call and that was the end of it.

Unlike @Master, I don't completely dismiss the possibility of this happening, but I highly doubt it. A teenage incel would almost always care about his reputation and this, along with attacking his mother, would be behaviors only exhibited during a total mental breakdown/hitting rock bottom, something you would have definitely recognized beforehand. I'm also surprised you wouldn't send him to therapy at that point. Also,




Sorry but anyone doing something that taboo would not do it in such a vulnerable area. Do you think we're that dumb to believe that a horny teenage boy wouldn't understand the concept of a locked door?

You would also never have discovered his porn collection, forum usage, or which accounts were his on said forum because no, let me repeat: NO teenage boy is stupid enough not to have a password for his computer, especially one with such sensitive information, or share his password with anyone.

But after all that supposedly happened, you still didn't get him any professional help? Cool story bro.



Your story has a lot of holes in it. Was the sleepover at her friend's house? If so, I highly doubt any brother feels like visiting his little sister's sleepover, or could do so without raising eyebrows. If it was at your house, then I highly doubt that you or your wife wouldn't notice your angry son going into his sister's room or basement or whatever, and wouldn't have heard any sort of commotion. I also highly doubt that you would leave your obviously unstable son alone with his little sister, especially if you had earlier discovered him all up in her dirty underwear. Get real. This was not only written by an idiot, but a young and naive one too. Are you also saying that you never even spoke to the girl's parents? Do you seriously think that they'd would find out and just think "Whatever, I'm sure he's sorry." then let it go?


I'm ROFLing because you're now not-so-subtly putting your political views in your fictional story. Have you ever even gotten a job? It takes a serious amount of ethic just to get one. To suggest that he'd have the work ethic to build a resume and get a job, then get fired for "being lazy", and then go and get another job and get fired for laziness, and continue the cycle is the most absurd thing I've ever read.

Unlike @Master, I don't doubt that him degrading his therapist could happen. But boy were you ever late sending him to therapy!


Sorry but any father would be a lot more outraged at a boy speaking like that to his mother and not "muh wife!". You physically confronting him is a bullshit contradictory story for reasons I'll explain later. Also,

Gotta have feminism to make your story PC enough amirite?


It's almost like you're going through a PC checklist! A bisexual daughter and race-mixing with a non-thug black boy who's the perfect angel being tormented by an evil conservative white boy? ROFL.

You also seem way too obsessed with your daughter's black bf, dedicating six whole paragraphs to introducing him even though he isn't very relevant to the story.

He also never would have survived the walk to your house if he only had a sweater when it was -20°F. He would have either turned back or gotten frostbite or even hypothermia.


How is that relevant?

That never happened. A sister would never have sex, especially loud sex, with only her brother in the house (or at least mine doesn't), and going back to what I said earlier, you wouldn't have ever left him alone with his sister, even with another boy in the house.

Have you ever even seen black people fight before? They do NOT fight defensively (i.e. holding you back or redirecting you). It's a fact of life.

I also forgot to mention earlier, you've cried twice in this story. Both times over trivial things that even a woman probably wouldn't cry about. You can check off "toxic masculinity" from the PC checklist!

The black boyfriend was also saying that the brother attacked his sister instead of him? Even though he was clearly angrier at him? Come on.


Semen stains would be very visible and hard to get out of a hairbrush. The writer is a confirmed female.


"Treasure trove of his sister's underwear"? This is a confirmed fetish story. Nobody calls a discovery a "treasure trove" if he's disgusted by it. I'm also surprised that he left all that stuff behind, considering that it obviously meant a lot to him. And again, no. teenager. forgets. their. phone. or. leaves. it. unlocked.

You later explained that the reason your daughter knew he had her panties was:

So you're admittedly weaker than a teenage girl (Another PC check!) but earlier said that you bested your teenage son in a confrontation? Ha!

Given the overwhelming amount of unlikely events and inconsistencies, your story is ruled false.

>trying to one-up a forum mod
>look at me everyone! My dick is THIS big!

 

[FukkenLoser]

 

[ManletHalfCurry]

"Have you ever even seen black people fight before? They do NOT fight defensively (i.e. holding you back or redirecting you). It's a fact of life."


This one, as if it wasn't obvious enough the first time I read it, confirmed it was fake for me, I have never ever seen a nigger fight defensively in my life.

 

[Guest2]

@Master . Given your precise attention to detail writing this story (another red flag)

Yikes

 

[Deleted member 677]

Yikes

 

[RREEEEEEEEE]

JFL at wasting your time trying to debunk a false story that most readers won't even see.

 

[Deleted member 126]

I wish this story was real. The incel in the story is based af.

 

[WillyBlogAndFriends]

"Have you ever even seen black people fight before? They do NOT fight defensively (i.e. holding you back or redirecting you). It's a fact of life."


This one, as if it wasn't obvious enough the first time I read it, confirmed it was fake for me, I have never ever seen a nigger fight defensively in my life.

 

[Deleted member 60]

JFL at wasting your time trying to debunk a false story that most readers won't even see.

 

[StaroRavager]

Cool to see a second take on it

A story is always best analyzed from multiple angles

"Have you ever even seen black people fight before? They do NOT fight defensively (i.e. holding you back or redirecting you). It's a fact of life."


This one, as if it wasn't obvious enough the first time I read it, confirmed it was fake for me, I have never ever seen a nigger fight defensively in my life.

It happens

 

[Six]

High IQ thread.

 

[PersonalityChad]

Yikes

 

[PectusManletScarCel]

High IQ thread.

 

[Deleted member 677]

I wish this story was real. The incel in the story is based af.

True.

 

[rahultmnt]

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what a fucking joke.. college graduates are 'potentially gifted 121+ IQ' .. what ? lol

 

[Indari]

and the OP never denied it was fake

 

[FamilyGuy1999]

High IQ thread.