Experiment Are you more annoyed by lookism/halo effect, or your celibacy?

[Fontaine]

Personally, I care much more about the inordinate power and status handsome men enjoy in modern society, than about my celibacy.

I don't think it is fair at all for handsome men to have so much power and influence for no effort or choice of their own. I definitely envy them. As teenagers, they don't have to care about appearing cool or not, because they're always cool. Then in adult life, they continue to enjoy many many privileges (such as being taken more seriously when they speak).

Karl Marx had obviously not foreseen this phenomenon of handsome men becoming the new powerful class in industrial societies.

Beauty redistribution now!

 

[Unwanted]

Personally, I care much more about the inordinate power and status handsome men enjoy in modern society, than about my celibacy.

Same.

 

[SoCalSuifuel]

I'm mainly disgusted by the lookscentric society at large. The way human beings are viewed as products and everyone who can wants to purchase or rent the best ones. We essentially live in a giant meat market. What more is tindr than a forum for parading about humans to be acquired and traded for?

 

[Spite]

I wouldn't give a fuck as long as I got my dick wet on a regular basis

 

[Zesto]

I just want my waifu I don't care about the society.

 

[ColdPillow]

I would love to be charismatic and powerful in society. I naturally have a good sense of leadership (When I was a kid I was a good leader at my schools), but now as a young adult I feel like all of that potential has been made futile due to my short frame, stature, and repulsive looks.

 

[Septembercel]

I care much more about lookism.
If you're good looking you get girls its as simple as that.
I also want to look badass and intimidating, not like a fat deformed ogre.

 

[Fontaine]

I'm mainly disgusted by the lookscentric society at large. The way human beings are viewed as products and everyone who can wants to purchase or rent the best ones. We essentially live in a giant meat market. What more is tindr than a forum for parading about humans to be acquired and traded for?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it has always been this way, even in religious societies. Marriages have always been devised like a trip to the marketplace; "I offer you my beautiful daughter for your rich and powerful son", etc.

Romantism and "love" are actually modern, degenerate concepts

Middle Ages men treated relationships like fish on a stall

I would love to be charismatic and powerful in society. I naturally have a good sense of leadership (When I was a kid I was a good leader at my schools), but now as a young adult I feel like all of that potential has been made futile due to my short frame, stature, and repulsive looks.

In early middle school, I used to be feared and respected for my sharp verbal takedowns and my general intelligence.

Around 12 years old, my classmates noticed I was turning ugly, and began to use that against me; that completely broke the dynamic.

Who knows, with better genes I could be a top lawyer or politician now.

 

[Deleted member 1042]

I think Zyros already made a thread on this.

Anyways, I pick good looks. Good looks can afford you so many opportunities in life. There's a sort of accrued interest you are awarded in the form of self esteem, built from constant validation. The constant validation and support you receive only serve to motivate you, your motivations yield positive outcome, your positive outcomes attract more validation, and it snow balls. I've seen inceltears members and the like brag about getting laid, as a way to diss incels, but when I see their gfs (aka landwhales they settle with), I'm suddenly not so envious.

 

[SoCalSuifuel]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it has always been this way, even in religious societies. Marriages have always been devised like a trip to the marketplace; "I offer you my beautiful daughter for your rich and powerful son", etc.

Romantism and "love" are actually modern, degenerate concepts

Middle Ages men treated relationships like fish on a stall

Then life has always been shit. Calling romanticism and love degenerate is comical, it's objectively the best way for human beings to live.

The atmosphere presented in this painting has more value to it than any hookup on tindr has ever had. Even if romance is unnatural or unlikely it should still be strived for and promoted by society. Relationships should be full of mystery and intrigue, the process of getting to know eachother should be drawn out and lead to a beautiful moment where you both eventually embrace and make love after already growing to love eachother's minds and ideals as well as their bodies.

 

[Fontaine]

Good looks can afford you so many opportunities in life. There's a sort of accrued interest you are awarded in the form of self esteem, built from constant validation. The constant validation and support you receive only serve to motivate you, your motivations yield positive outcome, your positive outcomes attract more validation, and it snow balls.

The biggest blackpill is indeed that mood matters more than intelligence when it comes to intellectual achievement (a retard with great self-confidence will publish a book, while a depressed genius will be too inhibited to do so), and mood is linked to validation, i.e. looks. In the modern world we begin to see this strong pattern of success/achievement in men being linked to good looks.

 

[Red Shambhala]

Personally, I care much more about the inordinate power and status handsome men enjoy in modern society, than about my celibacy.

This and the whole hypocrisy and lies surrounding it. You're always forced to pretend that women are NOT borg-like carbon copies of each other who all just want to be sex slaves for dominant high-status Chads. All these lies you're forced to parrot and accept are just so tiresome.

 

[Gepard]

I wouldn't give a fuck as long as I got my dick wet on a regular basis

High IQ

 

[Mik_TFL]

At the end of the day, the halo effect handsome people get is still artificial in work environments, sure they might get more opportunities at the beginning , but after 6 months it becomes obvious who had a superior performance, If your good looks didn't translate into more sales, or more patents, then they are fucking worthless as far as the capitalism market is concerned. The celibacy (well, more like the lack of female companionship and validation part of it) issue is much more dire, because you can't do shit about it (at least with a meaningful outcome change)... If you rank bottom 5%, you might try to looksmax all you want but you'll probably never rise over the bottom 15%, for most it is an insurmountable barrier.

 

[LDARBuddah]

can't go HALO if you're a FAILO

 

[Cakwak]

Personally, I care much more about the inordinate power and status handsome men enjoy in modern society, than about my celibacy.

I don't think it is fair at all for handsome men to have so much power and influence for no effort or choice of their own. I definitely envy them. As teenagers, they don't have to care about appearing cool or not, because they're always cool. Then in adult life, they continue to enjoy many many privileges (such as being taken more seriously when they speak).

Karl Marx had obviously not foreseen this phenomenon of handsome men becoming the new powerful class in industrial societies.

Beauty redistribution now!

My celibacy is one isolate case, but Lookism and halo effect is touching every men in this world, so of course I care more about it than my personnal case.

 

[Fontaine]

At the end of the day, the halo effect handsome people get is still artificial in work environments, sure they might get more opportunities at the beginning , but after 6 months it becomes obvious who had a superior performance, If your good looks didn't translate into more sales, or more patents, then they are fucking worthless as far as the capitalism market is concerned. The celibacy (well, more like the lack of female companionship and validation part of it) issue is much more dire, because you can't do shit about it (at least with a meaningful outcome change)... If you rank bottom 5%, you might try to looksmax all you want but you'll probably never rise over the bottom 15%, for most it is an insurmountable barrier.

Your first point is fair, however, the good mood and validation associated with good looks increase intellectual performance, so Chad will be smarter and more effective. My IQ increased by 20 points after I treated my depression, providing just a glance at what Chads enjoy on a daily basis.

The "brooding intellectual" is a lie: if you look closely at high-achieving individuals, including academics, they're all happy and confident.

 

[GeneticDysfunction]

All good looking persons should be doused in acid. It's not fucking fair that some suffer and some enjoy life due to RANDOM CHANCE FUCK LIFEEEEE

 

[Mik_TFL]

Your first point is fair, however, the good mood and validation associated with good looks increase intellectual performance, so Chad will be smarter and more effective. My IQ increased by 20 points after I treated my depression, providing just a glance at what Chads enjoy on a daily basis.

The "brooding intellectual" is a lie: if you look closely at high-achieving individuals, including academics, they're all happy and confident.

While good mood and validation do increase your performance overall, I think that is a separate issue, because you can get positive feedback and validation in many situations (albeit not from women, or at least not in any sexual dimension). I know a bunch of professors in the physics and CS departments that are happy, confident AND ugly AF. Being ugly AF and lonely doesn't necessarily mean you'll be depressed all the time... e.g. I'm really happy while I'm at work, the depression kicks in after I go home and spend some hours alone.

 

[Fontaine]

While good mood and validation do increase your performance overall, I think that is a separate issue, because you can get positive feedback and validation in many situations (albeit not from women, or at least not in any sexual dimension). I know a bunch of professors in the physics and CS departments that are happy, confident AND ugly AF. Being ugly AF and lonely doesn't necessarily mean you'll be depressed all the time... e.g. I'm really happy while I'm at work, the depression kicks in after I go home and spend some hours alone.

True. I guess that heavily depends on whether you have untreated MDD, and whether you actually derive pleasure of non-sexual things