Are they angry at women because they are incels, or are they celibate because of their anger towards women?

[cement]

Misogyny in Porn: It’s Not What You Think It might actually be some anti-porn activists who hate women.

I found this article from psychology today and wondering about your opions

it says about Incels: "
"There IS evidence of high levels of misogyny in some groups of modern men, however, tangentially related to pornography. Online, there are numerous groups arguing that pornography is damaging and destructive, and stands in the way of men’s success with women. “Incel” is an online term describing men who are “involuntarily celibate.” These men argue that they are being kept from having sex by female control of sexuality. Some argue that it is pornography which fuels the incel movement, leaving men isolated and sexually dissatisfied. Though we have no specific comparison to GSS data, it seems probable that the incel community may hold, in general, less feminist views, though again, we can't identify causality: Are they angry at women because they are incels, or are they celibate because of their anger towards women? After all, these men believe that women owe them sex, and that female sexual independence is somehow an attack on them."

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Pornography is demonic no question and toxic to the mind ,body and spirit . I cannot say without authority if it is solely responsible for the incel phenomenon. It certainly aggravates it by provoking sexual desires and reminding people of their loneliness.
Also porn has been connected with serial killers like Bundy and Dahmer.
I cannot as not being a doctor to diagnose this but porn is surely something everyone should avoid.

And one thing I would point is that society is always quick to bash men for their porn addictions but never to call out women for making the stuff in the first place!

 

[LWii]

Are they angry at women because they are incels, or are they celibate because of their anger towards women?

Attractive men are far more misogynistic than incels yet get laid more.
So the answer seems obvious

 

[cement]

Pornography is demonic no question and toxic to the mind ,body and spirit . I cannot say without authority if it is solely responsible for the incel phenomenon. It certainly aggravates it by provoking sexual desires and reminding people of their loneliness.
Also porn has been connected with serial killers like Bundy and Dahmer.
I cannot as not being a doctor to diagnose this but porn is surely something everyone should avoid.

And one thing I would point is that society is always quick to bash men for their porn addictions but never to call out women for making the stuff in the first place!

do you feel less lonely without consuming porn? How do you cope from your loneliness?

I agree with you on the point that porn consumption by men is perceived negatively in society _ I notice in movies that the “masturbating man” is usually portrayed as pathetic and aesthetically unappealing but I also see a negative stigma on women in the porn industry and sex work _ whose stereotypical characteristics often show poverty and low intellect.

 

[cement]

Attractive men are far more misogynistic than incels yet get laid more.
So the answer seems obvious

misogynist views are a global phenomenon _ you can find them in politcs and economics but much more hidden _ they can hide behind the power of politics and economics _ I am more pissed off about the inequality of such power dynamics/structures

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

do you feel less lonely without consuming porn? How do you cope from your loneliness?

I agree with you on the point that porn consumption by men is perceived negatively in society _ I notice in movies that the “masturbating man” is usually portrayed as pathetic and aesthetically unappealing but I also see a negative stigma on women in the porn industry and sex work _ whose stereotypical characteristics often show poverty and low intellect.

I don't lonely often because I'm a true believer in Jesus .Before I knew the Lord ,I jerked off constantly mostly to Instagram stuff and not hard porn but same difference really. It made me feel reminded that I had no partner.

I understand though how it feels to walk around in world whether IRL or online that is constantly putting sex in your face and then condemns you for your frustration.

 

[m3nt4Lbl0ck3d]

I feel more lonely consuming porn, more pathetic. I don't want porn at all, I want a girlfriend/wife that I can have sex with.

I'm not sorry that makes me someone who feels a female "owes" me sex.

They don't, but here is my counter argument, if I'm not owe sex or love than women are not owed anything from me at all. Not a single thing. Yet somehow that's an issue they can't accept. That is not
an idea rooted in misogyny, it's a basic human instinct.

 

[cement]

I feel more lonely consuming porn, more pathetic. I don't want porn at all, I want a girlfriend/wife that I can have sex with.

I'm not sorry that makes me someone who feels a female "owes" me sex.

They don't, but here is my counter argument, if I'm not owe sex or love than women are not owed anything from me at all. Not a single thing. Yet somehow that's an issue they can't accept. That is not
an idea rooted in misogyny, it's a basic human instinct.

what women cannot accept? that you don't owe them anything? try to understand you better bro

 

[m3nt4Lbl0ck3d]

what women cannot accept? that you don't owe them anything? try to understand you better bro

They can't accept that men who don't have sex or should just accept not having it should still play their part at being men and still do expected men things such as chivalry, respect, etc towards the women.

 

[m3nt4Lbl0ck3d]

what women cannot accept? that you don't owe them anything? try to understand you better bro

Yes, pretty much.

 

[cement]

Yes, pretty much.

do you have contact with women who demand something from you? if so what do they want?

 

[cement]

I don't lonely often because I'm a true believer in Jesus .Before I knew the Lord ,I jerked off constantly mostly to Instagram stuff and not hard porn but same difference really. It made me feel reminded that I had no partner.

I understand though how it feels to walk around in world whether IRL or online that is constantly putting sex in your face and then condemns you for your frustration.

do you go to church services and how did the change come to God _ were you approached?

 

[m3nt4Lbl0ck3d]

do you have contact with women who demand something from you? if so what do they want?

It's not about having direct contact with women, it's what they expect men should just provide without ever having the intentions to commit to any man because of their "sexual liberation". I don't owe women anything and vice versa. It's an equal playing field. For example, if a woman thinks I should protect her from assault or help in anyway because I just should because it's expected I won't. Not with how women treat me. But men are shamed for almost any view that goes against theirs as being misogynistic. Even if it were to be the case, too bad. No-one is entitled to anything.

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Patently the former. Men in the West aren't raised to hate women, so if they do come to hate them, there must be a cause, and what else would the cause for a misogynistic incel be? I also cannot fathom how porn would cause inceldom, unless the argument is that porn makes women more chadstruck somehow.

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

do you go to church services and how did the change come to God _ were you approached?

I was approached by different people overtime ,it does not always happen overnight but I decided to give it a try and it has worked very well.
I go to church online but I am trying to find a good church nearby though

 

[SwiftQuill]

With or without porn I'd still be an incel and pissed off at society.

The topic of porn is a red herring that feminist activists love to bring up. It's one of the various tools to distract from the real issues.

It's like the topic of "lack of good male role models" or "hot women in videogames create misogyny and incels" All red herrings. All distractions.

 

[Viskallide]

I would never take any word said by a person in the psychology field seriously, And I would never take those anti porn lunatics seriously.
As I know their true issue with it is that they dislike the idea of a man getting off without having to cuckmax for women.
The psychology field is controlled by feminists.

Always look at the motivation for why it was said first.

 

[Emba]

Yes, pretty much.

 

[m3nt4Lbl0ck3d]

With or without porn I'd still be an incel and pissed off at society.

The topic of porn is a red herring that feminist activists love to bring up. It's one of the various tools to distract from the real issues.

It's like the topic of "lack of good male role models" or "hot women in videogames create misogyny and incels" All red herrings. All distractions.

Well said