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Are the Black Hundreds an early version of Nazism/fascism?

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The Black Hundreds were reactionary, monarchist, and ultra-nationalist groups in Russia in the early 20th century. They were staunch supporters of the House of Romanov, and opposed any retreat from the autocracy of the reigning monarch. Their name arose from the medieval concept of "black", or common (non-noble) people, organized into militias.
The Black Hundreds were noted for extremism and incitement to pogroms, nationalistic Russocentric doctrines, as well as various xenophobic beliefs, including anti-Ukrainian sentiment, anti-Polish sentiment, and anti-Semitism. The ideology of the movement is based on a slogan formulated by Count Sergey Uvarov: "Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality"
The Black Hundreds included reactionary, counterrevolutionary and anti-Semitic groups that, with the connivance of the authorities, carried out violence against liberals, socialists and Jews, attacked revolutionary groups and committed Jewish pogroms and organized political assassinations. Their most famous slogan was "Beat the Jews, save Russia!".
Russian movement did not represent a single whole and included various associations such as the "Russian Monarchist Party", "Black Hundreds", "Union of the Russian People" (Alexander Dubrovin), "Union of Michael the Archangel" and others. 1

After the 1917 revolution, all Black Hundred organizations in Russia were banned.

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By the way, Lenin called on the Socialists to physically exterminate the Black Hundreds for their wild dark medieval anti-Semitism.
"The struggle against the Black Hundreds is an excellent military action, which gives both the training of soldiers of the revolutionary army, baptism of fire to them, and brings enormous benefits to the revolution. The detachments of the revolutionary army should immediately study who, where and how the black hundreds are, and then not limit themselves to one sermon (this is useful, but this one is not enough), but also act with armed force, beating the Black Hundreds, killing them, blowing up their headquarters, etc., etc. ["Tasks of the detachments of the Revolutionary Army" (1905).
 
I'd argue they are far more similar to Fascists or Quasi-Fascists like Franco or Salazar rather than traditional national socialists, but yea, they did have methods that are quite fascistic similar to other Proto-Fascists like the Freikorps or Futurists
 
No, I think they were more related to reactionary, anti-enlightenment royalist groups from the 18th and 19th centuries, such as the Vendeans and Chuans in revolutionary France, the Carlists in Spain and the Sanfedesti in southern Italy. All of these groups were essentially an alliance between the nobility, clergy and peasants who were opposed to modernity and in favor of the ancien regime. Even though fascism opposed the ideology of the Enlightenment, it did not want to return to pre-1789 conditions as reactionaries did.
 
No, I think they were more related to reactionary, anti-enlightenment royalist groups from the 18th and 19th centuries, such as the Vendeans and Chuans in revolutionary France, the Carlists in Spain and the Sanfedesti in southern Italy. All of these groups were essentially an alliance between the nobility, clergy and peasants who were opposed to modernity and in favor of the ancien regime. Even though fascism opposed the ideology of the Enlightenment, it did not want to return to pre-1789 conditions as reactionaries did.
Although I agree, as far as I know Musolini hated the Italian king Victor Emmanuel 3 and, in principle, tolerated the monarchy through force, because of the desire to keep among the supporters of the monarchists. Hitler seemed to be friends with the Hohenzollern family, but he did not want to return the throne to them.
 
This seems to me like a reaction to an increasing liberalization of a state, rather than a fully fledged political movement. It makes sense to go after the minority that has been terrorizing the majority.

This is reminding me of the Young Turk revolution in the final stages of the Ottoman Empire. They were nationalists. Started separating the ethnicities. Started genociding.

They were jews who were responsible for the collapse of the Ottoman state. The Jews from Selanik. Modern Thessaloniki. Financed these young Balkan men to usurp the Sultan and cause chaos within the realm. In guise of 'nationalism'. They established Turanism, a ideology that plagues turkey to this day. It is race mix worship.



Turanism was created by foreigners. Many of the people supporting it were jews.


Reportedly the jews betrayed the Ottoman Sultan Abdulhamid after he had rejected an offer by them. The offer was that the Ottomans should create a Jewish country in the holy land. What would be given in return was the recently lost Balkan lands and public favor amongst europeans. Abdulhamid refused and only a few years later was deposed and died in jail.


These events sound very similar but happened in different places. Very interesting.
 
This seems to me like a reaction to an increasing liberalization of a state, rather than a fully fledged political movement. It makes sense to go after the minority that has been terrorizing the majority.

This is reminding me of the Young Turk revolution in the final stages of the Ottoman Empire. They were nationalists. Started separating the ethnicities. Started genociding.

They were jews who were responsible for the collapse of the Ottoman state. The Jews from Selanik. Modern Thessaloniki. Financed these young Balkan men to usurp the Sultan and cause chaos within the realm. In guise of 'nationalism'. They established Turanism, a ideology that plagues turkey to this day. It is race mix worship.



Turanism was created by foreigners. Many of the people supporting it were jews.


Reportedly the jews betrayed the Ottoman Sultan Abdulhamid after he had rejected an offer by them. The offer was that the Ottomans should create a Jewish country in the holy land. What would be given in return was the recently lost Balkan lands and public favor amongst europeans. Abdulhamid refused and only a few years later was deposed and died in jail.


These events sound very similar but happened in different places. Very interesting.
The fate of Nicholas 2 was no better, he refused to grant Jews equal rights and powerful backstage elites began to put sticks in his wheels from refusing to issue loans to sponsoring the enemies of the Russian Empire.
“In 1896, the Emperor, the Empress, and then his only daughter Olga (she was 10 months old) went to Paris to visit French President Faure....

During the Emperor's stay in Paris, the President of the French Republic, Faure, persuaded his distinguished guest to attend the grand ball of the Jew Rothschild for at least a few minutes.

The emperor did not agree for a long time, but then he went. There, the president began to persuade the Sovereign to talk to Rothschild. The sovereign agreed. Rothschild immediately asked the Emperor: “How great is the Russian debt to France?” The emperor replied: “So many billions.” Rothschild said, “I will take on all this debt if you agree to give equal rights to Jews in Russia.” The emperor refused, saying that the Russian people were still dark and very trusting, and with equal rights they would immediately fall into bondage to the Jews. Moving away from Rothschild, the Emperor said: “Now I have signed my death sentence.”
 
The fate of Nicholas 2 was no better, he refused to grant Jews equal rights and powerful backstage elites began to put sticks in his wheels from refusing to issue loans to sponsoring the enemies of the Russian Empire.
“In 1896, the Emperor, the Empress, and then his only daughter Olga (she was 10 months old) went to Paris to visit French President Faure....

During the Emperor's stay in Paris, the President of the French Republic, Faure, persuaded his distinguished guest to attend the grand ball of the Jew Rothschild for at least a few minutes.

The emperor did not agree for a long time, but then he went. There, the president began to persuade the Sovereign to talk to Rothschild. The sovereign agreed. Rothschild immediately asked the Emperor: “How great is the Russian debt to France?” The emperor replied: “So many billions.” Rothschild said, “I will take on all this debt if you agree to give equal rights to Jews in Russia.” The emperor refused, saying that the Russian people were still dark and very trusting, and with equal rights they would immediately fall into bondage to the Jews. Moving away from Rothschild, the Emperor said: “Now I have signed my death sentence.”
What the Soviets did to the royal Russian family was horrific. I watched Russian movies and documentaries about it.

Being imprisoned in a house and later told to go in the basement for a photo, and suddenly getting gunned down as you're holding your children... The jews have never been punished for their atrocities.

Ipatyev house basement


It took a long time for the world to accept what had occurred. There were rumors that perhaps a daughter of the late Emperor survived. A woman claimed such too. It was sadly a farce. The woman being a mentally ill liar.



The Royal family was betrayed by their relatives. The King of England could've harbored the Russians, but he cared more about fame and glory than his own blood.

Tsar Nicholas II  King George V


Funny how similar they look.
 
What the Soviets did to the royal Russian family was horrific. I watched Russian movies and documentaries about it.

Being imprisoned in a house and later told to go in the basement for a photo, and suddenly getting gunned down as you're holding your children... The jews have never been punished for their atrocities.

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It took a long time for the world to accept what had occurred. There were rumors that perhaps a daughter of the late Emperor survived. A woman claimed such too. It was sadly a farce. The woman being a mentally ill liar.



The Royal family was betrayed by their relatives. The King of England could've harbored the Russians, but he cared more about fame and glory than his own blood.

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Funny how similar they look.
It's funny, but the only monarch who wanted to save Nicholas 2 and his family and negotiated with Kerensky and the Bolsheviks was the Spanish king Alfonso 13 on the condition that the royal family would never return to Russia.
 

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