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Discussion Any linguists in here? How does one go about learning to make new sounds?

kjd

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So I'm trying to learn these two new sounds for my Spanish and German but I just can't get them right. First one is for my spanish and it's what they call the Voiced Palatal Lateral Approximant. It's supposed to sound like this:

It is my understanding that the tongue is supposed to be on a similar position to the position it has during the <ñ> sound, but the sides of the tongue need to be a little curled or something to let the air pass through the sides. Thing is I'm doing exactly that and all I get is a very similar sound to the <L>, not the sound from the recording :feelsrope:
Then the second sound is one I'm practicing for my German <R>, it's called Voiced Uvular Fricative and for the love of God I just can't produce that sound. It's supposed to sound like this:

You're supposed to cause a turbulence of air with your uvula, right? But how the hell does one do that? Every time I try I end up with a different sound, the Voiced Uvular Trill, which is technically also an acceptable way of pronouncing the <R> in German, but it's apparently antiquated and it would make me sound like an old man, here's what that one sounds like

I can do that one easily but not the fricative version. Any tips?

Edit: for some reason the vocaroo media is not appeating, so here are the links in order:

View: https://voca.ro/1svCNIrqFhvA


View: https://voca.ro/1jrJHafVN4DL


View: https://voca.ro/14DtVFgyIamC
 
Ñ is just "ny". What is your first language? Mine is English, and that sound was easy.
 

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