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In light of all the bullshit, I’m on the verge of becoming a libertarian again. I’m fed up with the horseshit coming from the left and right and the utter hypocrisy, so I’m just gonna become a libertarian yet again. Is there anyone else who is a member of the Cult of Ron Paul?
 
I hate most cops, cucked laws, feminism, and paying taxes to support (((them))), so I'm probably libertarian too.
 
i don't really care about politics

but i naturally hate the government
 
I believe in cute adorable loli waifu of culture

@Napoleon de Geso for president 2020
 
I hate most cops, cucked laws, feminism, and paying taxes to support (((them))), so I'm probably libertarian too.
But you like private mercenaries and sucking corporate dick, I suppose? :feelsgah::feelstrash:
 
In light of all the bullshit, I’m on the verge of becoming a libertarian again. I’m fed up with the horseshit coming from the left and right and the utter hypocrisy, so I’m just gonna become a libertarian yet again. Is there anyone else who is a member of the Cult of Ron Paul?



I'm an ancap so no
 
Libertarian socialism I can sympathise with,its pretty anti authority
 
No thanks, there's only one answer and it's you know what.
 
Right libertarianism is the master race of hypocrisy: https://incels.is/threads/best-ideology-for-incels.128450/#post-2657635

Maybe try the original version this time?
The thing is, since I was Fascist / NatSoc for a while, I’ve decided to also incorporate elements of that into my libertarian worldview. It’s just that NatSocs can be arrogant dickheads sometimes when it comes to consistency and what the movement wants in terms of obtaining success and what strategies are right (like the optics debate). I’m finished with that clusterfuck and want something that’s at least consistent and supported by a large majority of Americans but what will still achieve what we want (ie ethnostates, whatever that may be).

Also, the reason I’m combining Fascism/NatSoc with Libertarianism is because I understand that it will never work in itself, if capitalism is your economy. I think we need a new solution to ensure that we live in a free society that is free from bureaucrats and globalists. But at the same time, just having a constitution isn’t going to ensure that you keep those freedoms (as we’ve seen countless times before).
 
I hate most cops, cucked laws, feminism, and paying taxes to support (((them))), so I'm probably libertarian too.

I fucking despise all those things too, I guess that makes me one also
 
What private mercenaries? And it's because of statism, or cuckism as I call it, that corporations in the 1% have 95% of the money.

What's the difference?
Libertarians want a small nightwatcher state, Anarcho-capitaists none at all (cope the state will defacto be repalced by gigacorps and corporate rule)

In a libertarian or anarchist system without cops, private security is, what will happen.

Yes statism, sure. You realize there was almost no statism in the 19th century? Those who own the means of production and food sources have more leverage and will simply exploit everyone else (that's what we are heading to already). Value is created collectively (on top of that over many generations, who disagress should try to dump some kids in somalia and see wht happens :feelskek:). Just going away and doing your own competing business works only in fantasy. Market devision, necessary initial financial investment, education, patent ownership, knowing the right people, market saturation. Purely mathematical a later market entrance aone cripples almost any chance.

There is no freedom without more than personal private property and democratic workplaces.
https://incels.is/threads/best-ideology-for-incels.128450/#post-2657635
I fucking despise all those things too, I guess that makes me one also
Left libertarianism / anarchism.
The thing is, since I was Fascist / NatSoc for a while, I’ve decided to also incorporate elements of that into my libertarian worldview. It’s just that NatSocs can be arrogant dickheads sometimes when it comes to consistency and what the movement wants in terms of obtaining success and what strategies are right (like the optics debate). I’m finished with that clusterfuck and want something that’s at least consistent and supported by a large majority of Americans but what will still achieve what we want (ie ethnostates, whatever that may be).

Also, the reason I’m combining Fascism/NatSoc with Libertarianism is because I understand that it will never work in itself, if capitalism is your economy. I think we need a new solution to ensure that we live in a free society that is free from bureaucrats and globalists. But at the same time, just having a constitution isn’t going to ensure that you keep those freedoms (as we’ve seen countless times before).
Left libertarianism / Anarchism, as I said. It's not perfect, but ideologically consistent.
 
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You realize there was almost no statism in the 19th century? Those who own the means of production and food sources have more leverage and will simply exploit everyone else (that's what we are heading to already).
In the 19th century there was also no internet or fast cars. Things change, and archaic statism where men are held at gun point to pay taxes to single mom whores is an old outdated system for the times we're living in now. Today "Those who own the means of production" have more wealth and resources than ever, way more imbalanced compared to the wealth of average people than it was in the 19th century.
 
In the 19th century there was also no internet or fast cars. Things change, and archaic statism where men are held at gun point to pay taxes to single mom whores is an old outdated system for the times we're living in now. Today "Those who own the means of production" have more wealth and resources than ever, way more imbalanced compared to the wealth of average people than it was in the 19th century.
Ye exactly, but why do you want libertarianism / anarchocapitalism then? :feelswhat: That will not change any of your points.
 
Ye exactly, but why do you want libertarianism / anarchocapitalism then? :feelswhat: That will not change any of your points.
So I don't have to pay taxes or follow bullshit laws that don't harm anyone.
 
I believe in cute adorable loli waifu of culture

@Napoleon de Geso for president 2020
Economically I am socialist. Culturally liberal, but only men of culture deserve freedom, for masses best thing is iron hand of comrade fuhrer
 
No thanks, there's only one answer and it's you know what.

126283
 
The liberty of man consists solely in this, that he obeys the laws of nature because he has himself recognized them as such, and not because they have been imposed upon him externally by any foreign will whatsoever, human or divine, collective or individual.
 
So I don't have to pay taxes or follow bullshit laws that don't harm anyone.
Instead of taxes you probably would have to deal with corporations engaging in price gouging and withholding your labor's true value due to market power (even more than now). I don't think this is any better. Every service will be replaced by corporations subject to the will of quasi dictators. Some things will always needed to be paid for. Question is who decides.

Under left anarchism people would be less manipulated by corporate virtue signaling. The removal of any confounding factors and fake problems would probably also lead to more male rights. Some ressources will have to be reallocated though. At some point in your life you took out of the pot as well. Someone has to pay for the upbringing of the next generation and as you profited from the last one yourself... :forcedsmile:

Anyway taxes are an illusion and always exist in one or another form. There's no difference in making less money or paying more taxes besides the psychological aspect.

The one thing I know is I'd like this not to be decided (and getting ruled in general) by modern feudal lords. You pay much more alltogether. At least that's what increasingly happened in the past and happens again. Democratic councils and shared means of production are the much safer bet.
 
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Instead of taxes you probably would have to deal with corporations engaging in price gouging and withholding your labor's true value due to market power (even more than now).
It's regulations that make the monopolies, because in order to be compliant you have to be rich and jump through lots of obstacles, so it makes it easier for the top 1% to take everything, like they are today. What you fear is already happening under this cucked status system.
Anyway taxes are an illusion and always exist in one or another form. There's no difference in making less money or paying more taxes besides the psychological aspect.
Then get rid of them if they don't matter.
Someone has to pay for the upbringing of the next generation and as you profited from the last one yourself... :forcedsmile:
Yeah I profited so much from this cucked system. With my inceldom and no-paying job.
 
No I’m alt right bro
 
It's regulations that make the monopolies, because in order to be compliant you have to be rich and jump through lots of obstacles, so it makes it easier for the top 1% to take everything, like they are today. What you fear is already happening under this cucked status system.
Except there were basically no regulations in the 19th century as well.

Right libertarianism is just more of what we have today, corporate control, just without an intermediary government. The argument that the state is responsibe for this problem alone is bullshit.
The laws to protect people from corporate despotism are currently made by this very government in the first place. A more or less total abolition without getting rid of capitalism as well would simply lead to the companies imposing their will directly without even the need to corrupt any government in the first place.

Same as with taxes, an anomic status without laws, a vacuum, cannot physically exist, if humans come together. The question we have to ask us is who decides in the end. Private feudal lords or councils? Corporate rule is a form of naive idealism.

Besides that none of my other points would be desolved without abolishing capitalism

Then get rid of them if they don't matter.
Oh they matter the only aternative is ending all human contact. With right libertarianism taxes simply become invisible, but they are still there and even more out of your reach.

Yeah I profited so much from this cucked system. With my inceldom and no-paying job.
I am talking about an anarchist system, where you will be able to reap all benefits of all of your labor with cooperative workspaces instea dof privae oners, not our current one. ;) Currently everything sucks for sure.
 
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people are too retarded for freedom they will just run around screwing and pissing and shitting like a bunch of animals people have to be ruled
 
A more or less total abolition without getting rid of capitalism as well would simply lead to the companies imposing their will directly without even the need to corrupt any government in the first place.
How are they going to "impose their will." In a libertarian system there won't be any market restrictions and hiring policies, but companies still won't be able to get away with polluting or harming the community to make their product or run their business. The only law that libertarians follow is the non-aggression principle.
Same as with taxes, an anomic status without laws, a vacuum, cannot physically exist, if humans come together. The question we have to ask us is who decides in the end. Private feudal lords or councils? Corporate rule is a form of naive idealism.
None of those lords or counsels represent me. And there's still no proof the big bad corporations will enslave humanity if the government bs is taken away with.
Besides that none of my other points would be desolved without abolishing capitalism
Communism and government regulating cucks are never the answer.
Oh they matter the only aternative is ending all human contact. With right libertarianism taxes simply become invisible, but they are still there and even more out of your reach.
I rather take an "invisible tax" than a forced at gun point tax. There's something very low t and cucked about being forced to give your money to single whore moms who never gave you sex, even though they are below your looksmatch.
I am talking about an anarchist system, where you will be able to reap all benefits of all of your labor with cooperative workspaces instea dof privae oners, not our current one. ;) Currently everything sucks for sure.
You're an anarchist? That's not much different from libertarian. You should be against government intervention and try to limit it then.
 
I hate most cops, cucked laws, feminism, and paying taxes to support (((them)))
I hate government entirely tbh
The liberty of man consists solely in this, that he obeys the laws of nature because he has himself recognized them as such, and not because they have been imposed upon him externally by any foreign will whatsoever, human or divine, collective or individual.
High IQ learn Natural Law
 
Nathan Larson.
@Leucosticte
 
people are too retarded for freedom they will just run around screwing and pissing and shitting like a bunch of animals people have to be ruled
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery anyday. with freedom we're all given a chance.

Oh and btw under statism people all around the world are acting exactly as you described right now, no matter how strict the authoritarian regime. The harsher the system the more people lash out and act like animals. Don't forget to be enslaved means you yourself are also enslaved
Currently everything sucks for sure.
 
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I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery anyday. with freedom we're all given a chance

why would you willingly give your enemies a chance? and when i think of fascism i think of myself as the master rather than the slave
 
and when i think of fascism i think of myself as the master rather than the slave
That's cope. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THE SLAVE. Only one person can be dictator and it is never you.
why would you willingly give your enemies a chance?
Hell no. if my enemies engaged me it would be a fight to the death. I am aware i am thee only one responsible for my safety.

I rely on nobody else.
 
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How are they going to "impose their will." In a libertarian system there won't be any market restrictions and hiring policies, but companies still won't be able to get away with polluting or harming the community to make their product or run their business. The only law that libertarians follow is the non-aggression principle.
This idealist make believe system can't work. There will always be corporations (people) getting out of line just like now. Doesn't matter if it is non agression principle or current laws.

Through pure leverage of their more potent position in the hierarchy, money is power, owning the means, owning the ressources, owning intellectual property.

See there are laws (the principle), who enforces and decides about them (in this point it is already set)?

Even anarchists agree that the system will have to be defended at some point and that this will only be possible through a flat minimzed hierarchy (guess what where does the word anarchy come from). Private security / mercenaries are diametrically opposed to the guarantee of being able to do this. Anarcho capitalism is an etymological oxymoron. Capitalism is pure hierarchy.

Some things need to be decided collectively JFL. Even here we can't decide on this non agression principle. (kekekek see what I did there). (Telling me and the people just having to agree on it, would be a catch 22 and disprove your ideology. > Idealist utopism (not possible in the real world) )

Besides that negative freedoms are are a thing.

None of those lords or counsels represent me. And there's still no proof the big bad corporations will enslave humanity if the government bs is taken away with.
With lords I mean company bosses or shareholders. The proof is literally in the reason for anarchy, humans are corruptable and the more power they have the more they are able to leverage it. Can't see how company owners are excluded from this.

Communism and government regulating cucks are never the answer.
But corporate regulated is? It is the same with no taxes, and anomy. Deregulation simply doesn't exist. The only thing you can do is minimizing hierarchies.

I rather take an "invisible tax" than a forced at gun point tax. There's something very low t and cucked about being forced to give your money to single whore moms who never gave you sex, even though they are below your looksmatch.
Try stealing or paying less and you got your gunpoint. :feelskek: It's the same and will even be enforced by the same bootlickers. Just comes just after payout not before.

You're an anarchist? That's not much different from libertarian. You should be against government intervention and try to limit it then.
Used to be one, but I realized anarchism will never be reached without transitionary socialism thanks to conspirative corporations, but that's the goal yeah. Socialists want anarchism. (anarchism, communism, libertarianism, libertarian socialism, anarchocommunism used to mean the same before the owning class funded countermovements to appropriate the terminology.)
It's a gamble, but the alternative is doing nothing.
 
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Your idealist make believe system can't work. There will always be corporations (people) getting out of line just like now. Doesn't matter if it is non agression principle or current laws.

Through pure leverage of their more potent position in the hierarchy, money is power, owning the means, owning the ressources, owning intellectual property.

See there are laws (the principle), who enforces and decides about them (in this point it is already set)?

Even anarchists agree that the system will have to be defended at some point and that this will only be possible through a flat hierarchies (guess what where does the word anarchy come from). Private security is diametriclaly opposed to the security of being able to do this. Anarcho capitalism is an etymological oxymoron. Capitalism is pure hierarchy.

Some things need to be decided collectively JFL. Even here we can't decide on this non agression principle. (kekekek see what I did there)

Besides that negative freedoms are are a thing.


With lords I mean company bosses or shareholders. The proof is literally in the reason for anarchy, humans are corruptable and the more power they have the more they are able to leverage it. Can't see how company owners are excluded from this.


But corporate regulated is? It is the same with no taxes, and anomy. Deregulation simply doesn't exist. The only thing you can do is minimizing hierarchies.


Try stealing or paying less and you got your gunpoint. :feelskek: It's the same and will even be enforced by the same bootlickers. Just comes just after payout not before.


Used to be one, but I realized anarchism will never be reached without transitionary socialism thanks to conspirative corporations, but that's the goal yeah. Socialists want anarchism. (anarchism, communism, libertarianism, libertarian socialism, anarchocommunism used to mean the same before the owning class funded countermovements to appropriate the terminology.)
It's a gamble, but the alternative is doing nothing.
I'm about to drive somewhere, so I have to reply to this later. Peace.
 
Good to see theres some basedcels here like @Gyros_Pretcel.

Under neoliberalism (the current capitalist order we live in now adays) the state assists the private corporations in harnessing profits which screws the working class. Libertarians/ancaps believe that if u take away or diminish the state then the free market will allow for competition and what not thus we wouldnt have the problems that exist under neoliberalism. This is all demonstrably rubbish. Under libertarianism the only thing that would change is cost, as the corporations have one less thing to buy (the state). Attempts at privatization in the US and UK have resulted in a less efficient market and a working class more screwed. This is because under a free market the goal is profit. If you're looking for a place to start reading marxism, start here.
IMO the best ideologies for incels to have is a combination of Marxism and traditionalism (which exists, like the Arab socialists).

The thing is, since I was Fascist / NatSoc for a while, I’ve decided to also incorporate elements of that into my libertarian worldview
Also jfl the libertarian to fascist pipeline is too real.
 
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After being blackpilled, i almost turned to statism due to hate, but i just cant ignore that tax is theft and government is mafia. Ancapism is just part of myself.

utter hypocrisy

If not authoritarian left, all forms of statism are pure hypocrisy. Imagine calling for market freedom while putting dissidents(gays, jews, blacks, commies, "degenerates") in camps, or calling for individual liberties while destroying and curbing bussiness.
 
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After being blackpilled, i almost turned to statism due to hate, but i just cant ignore that tax is theft and government is mafia. Ancapism is just part of myself.
Same brother.
Good to see theres some basedcels here like @Gyros_Pretcel.

Under neoliberalism (the current capitalist order we live in now adays) the state assists the private corporations in harnessing profits which screws the working class. Libertarians/ancaps believe that if u take away or diminish the state then the free market will allow for competition and what not thus we wouldnt have the problems that exist under neoliberalism. This is all demonstrably rubbish. Under libertarianism the only thing that would change is cost, as the corporations have one less thing to buy (the state). Attempts at privatization in the US and UK have resulted in a less efficient market and a working class more screwed. This is because under a free market the goal is profit. If you're looking for a place to start reading marxism, start here.

IMO the best ideologies for incels to have is a combination of Marxism and traditionalism (which exists, like the Arab socialists). Also jfl the libertarian to fascist pipeline is too real.
Check out the una bombers manifesto you will learn alot. We're at a crossroads as a species, we can either go back to the ancient primitive ways of living under freedom, or we can sit back and embrace the industrial-technological system, as in engulfs every last bit of our freedom and humanity.

I would like to forget money all together and live entirely free on my land. I don't care if others wanna chase dollars but leave me out of it. I guess you could say im an anarcho primitivist.

Fucking goverments around the world bitch and bitch about climate change but won't let me live in harmony with nature lmfao
 
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I would like to forget money all together and live entirely free on my land. I don't care if others wanna chase dollars but leave me out of it. I guess you could say im an anarcho primitivist.

Fucking goverments around the world bitch and bitch about climate change but won't let me live in harmony with nature lmfao
High iq. Governments are disruptive to humanity. We don't need tons of money to be happy, most likely we'll be way better off than we are now and with a lot more freedom.
 
That's cope. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE THE SLAVE. Only one person can be dictator and it is never you.

Hell no. if my enemies engaged me it would be a fight to the death. I am aware i am thee only one responsible for my safety.

I rely on nobody else.

brute strength is not exactly renowned among the Incels here, most of us would be better off in a repressive system that we had a higher place in
 
political parties are the most infuriatingly retarded bullshit ever to be conceived or created. The fact that it exists and is allowed to exist for those rich cunts who benefit from the system is fucking infuriating and makes me more nihilistic every time I think about it. Comes down to normie herd mentality of my tribe against yours, logical reasoning going out the window and discussion being retarded by 200 iq points on average. George Washington warned against this shit before he died. Yet society allows this shit to happen. How the fuck are you going to a group a bunch of loosely correlated beliefs and try to squeeze everyone into 2 fucking groups? Clearly every individual person is going to fall into aspects of each group. That's how actual nuanced people are in real life. fucking this fucking retarded fucking planet I wish everyone was dead
 
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Idk what is a libertarian. A leftist?
 
There is lots of definitions to libertarianism. Mine is someone who is against government interferences in society and economy.
Ok.
In society I agree be free from the G. but in economy the goverment have to take some control. Corps are powerful nowadays ,imagine that they were out of total control .I think there's no control on corps so if you think about it ,corps have the power not the goverment.
 
Ok.
In society I agree be free from the G. but in economy the goverment have to take some control. Corps are powerful nowadays ,imagine that they were out of total control .I think there's no control on corps so if you think about it ,corps have the power not the goverment.

I also take the agorist views on markets, acknowledging that not all entrepreneurs are good as most libertarians tend to think they are(slavery was based on private property) and that the use of "counter-economics" are necessary to achieve a more libertarian society.

more info on http://agorism.info/
 
brute strength is not exactly renowned among the Incels here, most of us would be better off in a repressive system that we had a higher place in
We got guns though :feelstrash:
political parties are the most infuriatingly retarded bullshit ever to be conceived or created. The fact that it exists and is allowed to exist for those rich cunts who benefit from the system is fucking infuriating and makes me more nihilistic every time I think about it. Comes down to normie herd mentality of my tribe against yours, logical reasoning going out the window and discussion being retarded by 200 iq points on average. George Washington warned against this shit before he died. Yet society allows this shit to happen. How the fuck are you going to a group a bunch of loosely correlated beliefs and try to squeeze everyone into 2 fucking groups? Clearly every individual person is going to fall into aspects of each group. That's how actual nuanced people are in real life. fucking this fucking retarded fucking planet I wish everyone was dead
High IQ af
 

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