
Michael W. Ford
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No hymen, no diamond? No, it's no hymen, death penalty! Also lying is bad, don't lie about this shit or it's whipping time.13 “If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then hates her 14 and accuses her of misconduct and brings a bad name upon her, saying, ‘I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her evidence of virginity,’ 15 then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate. 16 And the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, ‘I gave my daughter to this man to marry, and he hates her; 17 and behold, he has accused her of misconduct, saying, “I did not find in your daughter evidence of virginity.” And yet this is the evidence of my daughter’s virginity.’ And they shall spread the cloak before the elders of the city. 18 Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip him, 19 and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name upon a virgin of Israel. And she shall be his wife. He may not divorce her all his days. 20 But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, 21 then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father’s house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Married woman sleeps with a man other than her husband, she and the other man dies. This is where adultery is defined. Female adultery is sex with a man other than her husband. Male adultery is sex with a woman who is married to someone else! Male adultery doesn't require that the man be married. And nowhere is it prohibited for a married man to sleep with unmarried women! The fact that this distinction is lost in the west says much.22 “If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.
A betrothed virgin is an engaged girl. God hates adultery so much, that being betrothed counts the same as being married. Also, if you get raped in the city, scream or it was consensual. What do modern whores say? They're too scared to scream. They won't be if failing to scream gets them executed.23 “If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, 24 then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor’s wife. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Outside the city, rape is not her fault, because there is no one to help her. Only the rapist gets executed. Notice that it is assumed she screamed for help, though; what do you suppose happens if she doesn't? Now, she's betrothed, and she's not a virgin. See the top excerpt for what happens to her if she tries to move forward with the wedding. So the rapist gets executed, the girl is spared, but she has to divorce her betrothed; if she doesn't, then on their wedding night she will fail to produce proof of virginity, and he can complain and she gets executed.25 “But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. 26 But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, 27 because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her.
Notice the complete lack of regard for consent here. This applies the same for seduction as it does for rape. Since she is no longer a virgin, she can never get married; so, it is sufficient remedy that her rapist marries her, because he stole this opportunity from her, and he is the only man for whom she was a virgin. He owes money to her father, and he can't divorce her at will. Note, though, that this isn't as harsh as it seems. If she does anything that carries a death penalty, he'll be free of her. What this ultimately means is that fathers can't be simps and try to withhold their daughters from marriage until they're 35, they need to get them betrothed ASAP so that they enjoy the protection of the excerpt before this one.28 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
Who is as androcentric as the God of Abraham? Let's read from Deuteronomy 22:
No hymen, no diamond? No, it's no hymen, death penalty! Also lying is bad, don't lie about this shit or it's whipping time.
Married woman sleeps with a man other than her husband, she and the other man dies. This is where adultery is defined. Female adultery is sex with a man other than her husband. Male adultery is sex with a woman who is married to someone else! Male adultery doesn't require that the man be married. And nowhere is it prohibited for a married man to sleep with unmarried women! The fact that this distinction is lost in the west says much.
A betrothed virgin is an engaged girl. God hates adultery so much, that being betrothed counts the same as being married. Also, if you get raped in the city, scream or it was consensual. What do modern whores say? They're too scared to scream. They won't be if failing to scream gets them executed.
Outside the city, rape is not her fault, because there is no one to help her. Only the rapist gets executed. Notice that it is assumed she screamed for help, though; what do you suppose happens if she doesn't? Now, she's betrothed, and she's not a virgin. See the top excerpt for what happens to her if she tries to move forward with the wedding. So the rapist gets executed, the girl is spared, but she has to divorce her betrothed; if she doesn't, then on their wedding night she will fail to produce proof of virginity, and he can complain and she gets executed.
Notice the complete lack of regard for consent here. This applies the same for seduction as it does for rape. Since she is no longer a virgin, she can never get married; so, it is sufficient remedy that her rapist marries her, because he stole this opportunity from her, and he is the only man for whom she was a virgin. He owes money to her father, and he can't divorce her at will. Note, though, that this isn't as harsh as it seems. If she does anything that carries a death penalty, he'll be free of her. What this ultimately means is that fathers can't be simps and try to withhold their daughters from marriage until they're 35, they need to get them betrothed ASAP so that they enjoy the protection of the excerpt before this one.
Hey Michael. I know those objections. You are not saying anything new here. These things have been said since at least the 2nd century gnostics (Valentinian, Cerinthus, etc.). You know that, right?
Indeed. That is what it takes to combat the influence of IshtarWho is as androcentric as the God of Abraham? Let's read from Deuteronomy 22:
No hymen, no diamond? No, it's no hymen, death penalty! Also lying is bad, don't lie about this shit or it's whipping time.
Married woman sleeps with a man other than her husband, she and the other man dies. This is where adultery is defined. Female adultery is sex with a man other than her husband. Male adultery is sex with a woman who is married to someone else! Male adultery doesn't require that the man be married. And nowhere is it prohibited for a married man to sleep with unmarried women! The fact that this distinction is lost in the west says much.
A betrothed virgin is an engaged girl. God hates adultery so much, that being betrothed counts the same as being married. Also, if you get raped in the city, scream or it was consensual. What do modern whores say? They're too scared to scream. They won't be if failing to scream gets them executed.
Outside the city, rape is not her fault, because there is no one to help her. Only the rapist gets executed. Notice that it is assumed she screamed for help, though; what do you suppose happens if she doesn't? Now, she's betrothed, and she's not a virgin. See the top excerpt for what happens to her if she tries to move forward with the wedding. So the rapist gets executed, the girl is spared, but she has to divorce her betrothed; if she doesn't, then on their wedding night she will fail to produce proof of virginity, and he can complain and she gets executed.
Notice the complete lack of regard for consent here. This applies the same for seduction as it does for rape. Since she is no longer a virgin, she can never get married; so, it is sufficient remedy that her rapist marries her, because he stole this opportunity from her, and he is the only man for whom she was a virgin. He owes money to her father, and he can't divorce her at will. Note, though, that this isn't as harsh as it seems. If she does anything that carries a death penalty, he'll be free of her. What this ultimately means is that fathers can't be simps and try to withhold their daughters from marriage until they're 35, they need to get them betrothed ASAP so that they enjoy the protection of the excerpt before this one.
See my reply aboveI c u referring to @K9Otaku in the first sentence?
You're calling the belief in real gods, real spirituality' nerdiness.
I think you should answer this @Michael W. FordHey Michael. I know those objections. You are not saying anything new here. These things have been said since at least the 2nd century gnostics (Valentinian, Cerinthus, etc.). You know that, right?
It is a misrepresentation. In all three monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), Yaweh/The Father/Allah is just an allegory for "the ultimate reality", or just reality. The idea of humans being slaves is indeed present in Islam, but also in Christianity. In the new testament, the Greek word "doulos" is used. It also means slave, just as "abd" in Arabic. This is just a way to be honest. How can we not be "slaves" to reality? Reality forces us to do what it wants with even more force than a master can make a slave do his will.
Now, in Christianity, there is an additional twist, that is not present in Judaism or Islam: the Son, which I prefer to call by its Johanine name, "the Logos".
Who exactly is "the Son/the Logos". Well, this is open to interpretations and Christians have argued over this furiously over many centuries, mainly from the 2nd to the 6th.
My own interpretation of "the Logos" is symbolized in my AV and its interpretation from the Gospel of John, given below:
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The horizontal white segment with a pointy end on the left is what I call "the Logos in Time" and traditional Christianity "the incarnation". I believe that the Logos-in-time is incomplete and growing; that he is the aggregate of all our good experiences and ideas and accumulated wisdom. We all contribute to the building of the Logos-in-Time, even with our mistakes (negative experience is experience). At the End of Time (on the right of the graph), the Logos-in-Time reaches a stage where he is no longer constrained by time. He instead becomes able to embrace the whole of space-time (symbolized by the white circle). In so doing, He becomes co-extensive with the black circle underneath, which symbolizes "reality" and therefore The Father/Allah/Yahweh.
There is no need for the Logos/Son to rebel against reality. He only has to wait patiently until he has become strong enough to become co-equal with his Father (whis is what always happens to "sons" irl) and therefore merge with Him. This is the true Apotheosis (or just Theosis, as Orthodox monks say) that is available to us. No individual can equal God on his own, but all of us together, in the Logos, we can.
I appreciate that you made efforts to formulate your objections. Debate with Gnostics has always been useful to Christianity. It forces us to become clearer and more detailed in our theology.
I think you should answer this @Michael W. Ford
Last verse isn't talking about rape.Who is as androcentric as the God of Abraham? Let's read from Deuteronomy 22:
No hymen, no diamond? No, it's no hymen, death penalty! Also lying is bad, don't lie about this shit or it's whipping time.
Married woman sleeps with a man other than her husband, she and the other man dies. This is where adultery is defined. Female adultery is sex with a man other than her husband. Male adultery is sex with a woman who is married to someone else! Male adultery doesn't require that the man be married. And nowhere is it prohibited for a married man to sleep with unmarried women! The fact that this distinction is lost in the west says much.
A betrothed virgin is an engaged girl. God hates adultery so much, that being betrothed counts the same as being married. Also, if you get raped in the city, scream or it was consensual. What do modern whores say? They're too scared to scream. They won't be if failing to scream gets them executed.
Outside the city, rape is not her fault, because there is no one to help her. Only the rapist gets executed. Notice that it is assumed she screamed for help, though; what do you suppose happens if she doesn't? Now, she's betrothed, and she's not a virgin. See the top excerpt for what happens to her if she tries to move forward with the wedding. So the rapist gets executed, the girl is spared, but she has to divorce her betrothed; if she doesn't, then on their wedding night she will fail to produce proof of virginity, and he can complain and she gets executed.
Notice the complete lack of regard for consent here. This applies the same for seduction as it does for rape. Since she is no longer a virgin, she can never get married; so, it is sufficient remedy that her rapist marries her, because he stole this opportunity from her, and he is the only man for whom she was a virgin. He owes money to her father, and he can't divorce her at will. Note, though, that this isn't as harsh as it seems. If she does anything that carries a death penalty, he'll be free of her. What this ultimately means is that fathers can't be simps and try to withhold their daughters from marriage until they're 35, they need to get them betrothed ASAP so that they enjoy the protection of the excerpt before this one.
Yahweh wants us to achieve theosis too.
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>describe how to handle two instances of rapeLast verse isn't talking about rape.
Low IQ.>describe how to handle two instances of rape
>right afterwards describe a situation identical to the previous two except in that the virgin is not betrothed
>somehow not about rape
That much cope can't be just for personal use.
Low IQ is your bleeding heart cope. God doesn't care about women's fee-fees. That's why he doesn't specify consent. Does your church fly a fag flag by any chance?Low IQ.
>They're not two instances of rape, there's one.
>Except they're not identical, the first situation prefaces crying for help which explicitly describes rape while the second does not. Also, the first one uses the word "seize" which is indicative for rape but even though the second one does they use different Hebrew words, so it's a fault of the English translation you are using. So the second translation should not say "seize".
>Because it's not and you're low IQ to think so.
No, I am Eastern Orthodox by faith and we certainly do not tolerate LGBTQ.Low IQ is your bleeding heart cope. God doesn't care about women's fee-fees. That's why he doesn't specify consent. Does your church fly a fag flag by any chance?
Can you deny that what I explained about my AV (and the quotations from John that accompany it) is spiritual?
There are no gods in this world. Only the totality of everything there is (i.e. reality) can be called God with any degree of legitimacy. Denying this is the utmost in childishness.You're calling the belief in real gods, real spirituality' nerdiness.
Can you deny that what I explained about my AV (and the quotations from John that accompany it) is spiritual?
That is not spirituality, it is mental illness + superstition.
Spiritual people believe in spirits. What you're describing is a form of atheism. There is nothing spiritual about you.There are no gods in this world. Only the totality of everything there is (i.e. reality) can be called God with any degree of legitimacy. Denying this is the utmost in childishness.
That's real spiritualityThat is not spirituality, it is mental illness + superstition.
And I've had a lot more spiritual encounters than that, you spiritually dead atheist.That is not spirituality, it is mental illness + superstition.
The fact that you've been taught the feminist-friendly interpretation of that commandment is not a good sign. In fact I struggle to name any Old Testament commandments that the Eastern Orthodox keep. They've all been "fulfilled," and definitely not abrogated, which means they're abrogated but don't ever use that word! Bitch-made word play, that's what it is.No, I am Eastern Orthodox by faith and we certainly do not tolerate LGBTQ.
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