Serious An open letter to Fat Link and the mod team.

[Ryo_Hazuki]

To @Fat Link and the rest of the mod team:

Back when I was a moderator of this forum, the prevailing approach to rule violations was straightforward and effective: posts or threads that broke the rules were usually simply deleted in addition to a warning or permaban being given to the offender depending on the severity of the rule violation, previous offenses, etc. This policy served its purpose without issue. In some cases we would leave the threads up if we felt it was of public interest to do so, but ultimately it was up to our discretion.

However, after Serge stepped down, the strategy shifted. The new approach involved leaving the offending threads visible but adding a note to indicate the moderator action taken, be it a permanent ban or a X percentage warning. From what I understand, this change aimed to appease the community and promote transparency.

In my opinion, reverting to the old policy of simply deleting threads that blatantly violate the rules would benefit all parties involved (except for trolls and users that otherwise really like to break the rules). Take the case of the user Shitskin, for instance:

https://incels.is/threads/the-best-feeling-ive-ever-had.701568/

Saar! Saar!

Ban him saar he had sex!

incels.is

This was a clear troll account, and under the old policy, I would have simply wiped their entire post history and moved on.

Here’s the core issue with leaving rule-violating threads visible: it incentivizes trolling. Trolls will see that their disruptive threads remain up even if they’re banned, which only encourages them. It also emboldens the user who was banned to come back and do it again, as I'm sure you all know, trolls are notorious for evading bans.

Also it encourages even users who aren't total trolls to violate the rules. It might seem more "worth it" for the 30 percent (or whatever) warning to humblebrag or make a cherrypick thread since the thread will remain up even if they're temp banned.

And speaking from experience, when I was younger, I sometimes trolled forums myself, so I'm able to understand how they think. If my posts were swiftly deleted, it was a major buzzkill, it felt like my efforts were for nothing. But if my posts remained visible, even after a ban, it encouraged me to troll more, knowing that my “work” would still garner attention and reactions.

Fat Link, I urge you to reconsider this policy. Perhaps you could take this to a moderator vote, or even a public vote.

sincerely (because incels.is is VERY serious business),
Ryo_hazuki - former mod of incels.is and /r/incels

 

[Ghostface]

 

[NeverGetUp]

100% agreed

 

[Scatius Deletus]

Incels.is politics

 

[chudjak]

I agree but let's doxx everyone who gets permabanned as well

 

[Fat Link]

Oh we leave it up to individual mod discretion mostly these days Ryo old buddy (damn ifag device keeps auto correcting things and renaming you Roy lmao).

The policy as far as how I personally do things changed first and foremost because that’s how I always saw the mods do things on the big GAYming forum I used to be a (legendary) poster on and because of my OCD of not wanting to see anything truly permanently deleted and lastly because of user transparency whine I would just encourage the team to move everything to the sewers sometimes locking the thread, sometimes not ie not doing so allows the users to get out their rage at the infilthtroon from IT or the red pill grifter that has come along to troll us but I don’t believe the trolls are getting what they want because everybody knows the sewers are where the low quality shit posts go.

The trolls win only in my mind and I believe their own when their dumb shit is left up and prominently displayed on our main board incel discussion where all of our absolute best site discussion is supposed to go and where arguably everyone spends the majority of their time trolls and blue pilled lurkers included.

That said I believe both the weeb @proudweeb and @LeFrenchCel are generally in favor of “soft deleting” most threads like this that they find and deal with under my idea that if for some reason @Master or law enforcement needs access to a particular trolls account and or shit postings as improbable as that may be then they’ll still exist for this purpose should it come to that but just in a hidden from the users sense.

And we did used to wipe troll posters entire post history until I ended up crashing the site on poor Lamarcus attempting to spam clean that moron Luzifer’s entire 20 or 30k posts upon his request and because of that and other desperate pleadings for me to stop using the damn buggy thing from Master himself and even Serge telling me way before Master’s warnings that the damn thing is buggy “which is why we don’t use it” I chafe/hesitate at even using it on the 20-60 some odd posts the standard Infilthtraitor makes these days before inevitably “showing their ass” so to speak revealing their infilthtroon status.

So tl;dr…

Some mods still do it your and the old teams way and some do it my way.

 

[Friezacel]

Agreed, but i doubt anything will be changed

 

[edgelordcel]

You were not mod shut up you teen spic zoomer fakecel.bbc spamming wignat nazi chud troon soyjak feraljak squirreljak groyper trans terf femcel incel trucel CHUDDDD

 

[anandkonda]

You were not mod shut up you teen spic zoomer fakecel.bbc spamming wignat nazi chud troon soyjak feraljak squirreljak groyper trans terf femcel incel trucel CHUDDDD

He's also a tallfag btw. Fakecel

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

You were not mod shut up

Ask @Fat Link

Ask @proudweeb

Ask any 2017cel.

Check the wayback machine from when it was "incels.me" or "incels.co"

This is the problem with making strong accusations with a lot of conviction but zero evidence. You just look like a dunning-kruger retard.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

You were not mod shut up

In addition to the above, if that doesn't convince you, then check the ban appeals section:

https://incels.is/threads/theres-been-a-massive-misunderstanding.52538/

Why was I banned ? | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate

if you dont like my views here's a crazy idea, ignore me but to ban me because you don't like my idea ? that some petty shit this place is clearly filled with vaginas n its suppose to be a haven for REAL incels not racist incels who cant stand other ideas unban me and stop with your petty power...

incels.is

Plenty more examples if you go to the last page of the ban appeals section.

 

[Fat Link]

Oh I’m sure my esteemed colleague @edgelordcel was simply “taking the piss” as UKers often put it when joking.

I’d be very surprised if anyone even our drooling zoomer/shit tok 2024-25 user base doesn’t know that you weren’t just “a” mod but “THE” mod around these parts and on the most major incel platform around possibly for years on end at that which of course would be Reddit’s formerly existing r/incels board I believe?

Yes my friends @Ryo_Hazuki is not simply a former incels.is moderator but may very well be the proto incels moderator which is to say the very first moderator of incel content anywhere.

 

[proudweeb]

Back when I was a moderator of this forum, the prevailing approach to rule violations was straightforward and effective: posts or threads that broke the rules were usually simply deleted in addition to a warning or permaban being given to the offender depending on the severity of the rule violation, previous offenses, etc. This policy served its purpose without issue. In some cases we would leave the threads up if we felt it was of public interest to do so, but ultimately it was up to our discretion.

However, after Serge stepped down, the strategy shifted. The new approach involved leaving the offending threads visible but adding a note to indicate the moderator action taken, be it a permanent ban or a X percentage warning. From what I understand, this change aimed to appease the community and promote transparency.

There isn't really a hard and fast rule for this. I tend to treat this on a case by case basis or leave it up to individual mods.

Personally, I would often delete the thread / post in question just to keep the forum looking clean and well maintained, i.e. reduce the perception that there are rule breakers or infiltrators running around

Some will use the public warning label, this can serve as a way of encouraging better user behavior through public shaming of the offending users. It also shows other users an example of what not to do, and how much punishment would result. (see @anandkonda and @edgelordcel 's posts above for example)

Some move the thread to the sewer; there it can be shitposted in or used for postmaxxing; in a way this also publicly shames the offending user. Although, the sewers isn't visited as much and the thread quickly sinks into the abyss, so to speak.

To me, it depends on the circumstances which is best. I tend toward the 1st option

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

I’d be very surprised if anyone even our drooling zoomer/shit tok 2024-25 user base doesn’t know that you weren’t just “a” mod but “THE” mod around these parts

"The" mod here was definitely Knajjd. He was Serge's favorite and he was the "main character" out of all the mods. I know he attempted a sort of coup d'etat against you, but back when he was a mod he did a lot of good detective work and found evidence of some users being frauds that none of the rest of us saw. He was even nicknamed "detectivecel" for this reason.

and on the most major incel platform around possibly for years on end at that which of course would be Reddit’s formerly existing r/incels board I believe?

Yup I was a mod there as well.

but may very well be the proto incels moderator which is to say the very first moderator of incel content anywhere.

Haha, i wish I could take credit for that, but no. The very first moderator of proto-incel content anywhere would be "loveshcom". Not much is known about him and he didn't talk about himself much, but he was the admin and creator of love-shy.com which was the first proto-incel forum. Then he left and handed the forum over to a puerto rican man named "Rammspieler", who would later hand the forum over to "empty _caldera" who later changed his name to "Mr C.".

Then there was puahate's shitty advice, where incel culture really started to take off. Puahate was run by a guy named "Nicholas" though originally the site was just to bash puas, the shitty advice section became THE incel hub from 2010-2014.

Then there was the original wizardchan which was created in 2012. Not sure who the original owner was, but the second owner was Fredrick Brennan aka. "hotwheels" aka "copypaste". Then that secret thing that was never made public but I told you about on discord happened, and he gave the site to a guy from puerto rico who posted about having bought an exit bag with the intention to use it, then the site shut down because no one was paying the bills. They rebranded to a "volcel" site on the new one they made in 2014 or so, not sure what happened after that.

There was /r/truecels which was active before /r/incels was. It was run by an infamous Croatian who had many aliases, but most infamously "governmentsgetgirlfriends".

I wasn't a mod on any of the above mentioned sites, so all of those people "outrank" me in that regard. Also I was the 7th or so mod on /r/incels....so I'm outranked by a good half a dozen mods on there alone.

But while I wasn't the first moderator of incel content anywhere...to the best of my knowledge I have the closest connection to the true origins of (proto)incel culture out of anyone on this forum. I just wasn't a significant figure until the /r/incels arc.

 

[wereq]

Ask @Fat Link

Ask @proudweeb

Ask any 2017cel.

Check the wayback machine from when it was "incels.me" or "incels.co"

This is the problem with making strong accusations with a lot of conviction but zero evidence. You just look like a dunning-kruger retard.

This place was way stricter back then. Glad we loosened up.

 

[psyop]

Noted.

 

[Starfish Vs Koala]

You were not mod shut up you teen spic zoomer fakecel.bbc spamming wignat nazi chud troon soyjak feraljak squirreljak groyper trans terf femcel incel trucel CHUDDDD

 

[Regenerator]

Leave it up for the individual mods to decide what to do with rule breaking threads.

 

[Ghostface]

"The" mod here was definitely Knajjd. He was Serge's favorite and he was the "main character" out of all the mods. I know he attempted a sort of coup d'etat against you, but back when he was a mod he did a lot of good detective work and found evidence of some users being frauds that none of the rest of us saw. He was even nicknamed "detectivecel" for this reason.


Yup I was a mod there as well.


Haha, i wish I could take credit for that, but no. The very first moderator of proto-incel content anywhere would be "loveshcom". Not much is known about him and he didn't talk about himself much, but he was the admin and creator of love-shy.com which was the first proto-incel forum. Then he left and handed the forum over to a puerto rican man named "Rammspieler", who would later hand the forum over to "empty _caldera" who later changed his name to "Mr C.".

Then there was puahate's shitty advice, where incel culture really started to take off. Puahate was run by a guy named "Nicholas" though originally the site was just to bash puas, the shitty advice section became THE incel hub from 2010-2014.

Then there was the original wizardchan which was created in 2012. Not sure who the original owner was, but the second owner was Fredrick Brennan aka. "hotwheels" aka "copypaste". Then that secret thing that was never made public but I told you about on discord happened, and he gave the site to a guy from puerto rico who posted about having bought an exit bag with the intention to use it, then the site shut down because no one was paying the bills. They rebranded to a "volcel" site on the new one they made in 2014 or so, not sure what happened after that.

There was /r/truecels which was active before /r/incels was. It was run by an infamous Croatian who had many aliases, but most infamously "governmentsgetgirlfriends".

I wasn't a mod on any of the above mentioned sites, so all of those people "outrank" me in that regard. Also I was the 7th or so mod on /r/incels....so I'm outranked by a good half a dozen mods on there alone.

But while I wasn't the first moderator of incel content anywhere...to the best of my knowledge I have the closest connection to the true origins of (proto)incel culture out of anyone on this forum. I just wasn't a significant figure until the /r/incels arc.

inkwells.is lore, thank you saar.

 

[PLA1092]

I would say it depends on the nature of the thread. If it's trolling or types of sexual content against the rules, obviously I would delete. If it's something else like a user bragging I'd rather just keep it up. One benefit of that is people can see examples of what's warnable and what's not.

 

[DarkStar]

Well written tbh, this should be kept-up and used as a format by any users who want to address their concerns with a rule or issue.

I agree tbh, but as others have said it depends on the case:

I would say it depends on the nature of the thread. If it's trolling or types of sexual content against the rules, obviously I would delete. If it's something else like a user bragging I'd rather just keep it up. One benefit of that is people can see examples of what's warnable and what's not.

Maybe certain ones should be used as "textbook" examples of what constitutes as rule-breaking?

 

[fukurou]

old mod team was knajjd banning anyone on a whim.

there were no complaints cause he was drunk with power and unjustly banned anyone according to his mood.

 

[zerozerozero]

old mod team was knajjd banning anyone on a whim.

there were no complaints cause he was drunk with power and unjustly banned anyone according to his mood.

 

[LeFrenchCel]

It depends of the threads, sometimes they get deleted and moved to the sewers, sometimes I let them as they are

I admit that when a fakecel posts some fakecel shit, I like to keep the thread as it is (not locking, moving or deleting it) so it permits other users to insult the fakecel in the comments.

It's a small way of uniting the community against a common enemy for a short amount of time, in addition to being a funny thing to do. Kinda like a public execution. But as you said yeah it might be what the troll was looking for in the first place, tbh i never saw it this way before you posted this thread.

Your way is an interesting one, more subtle, I like it too tbh

 

[proudweeb]

Haha, i wish I could take credit for that, but no. The very first moderator of proto-incel content anywhere would be "loveshcom". Not much is known about him and he didn't talk about himself much, but he was the admin and creator of love-shy.com which was the first proto-incel forum. Then he left and handed the forum over to a puerto rican man named "Rammspieler", who would later hand the forum over to "empty _caldera" who later changed his name to "Mr C.".

I used to lurk love-shy back in 2010. The culture there was pretty depressing and LDAR-centric. A lot of users roped. If I recall correctly, there was also another forum around that time that had "incel" in its name. The users there were focused on self-improovment and "just keep trying bro" type shit. Now I'm not totally against self-improvement or approaching but these guys were just obnoxious lol. They would yell at anymore if they said they were giving up or whatnot. Not sure if you know what that site was. It's just kinda funny how 15 years ago, they considered "incels" people who were self-improving while people who gave up were "love-shy". Like the term "incel" didn't get the negative connotation until the Elliot Rodger incident

 

[IceMan2000]

Incels.is politics

 

[kay']

100% dnr

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Might be worth trying the suggested policy for a bit to see how effectively it pans out.

 

[Defetivecuckachu]

Trolls are gonna troll, regardless of what you do.

But I've seen bigger and more active forums than this, reduced from their peak to tumbleweeds within a couple of years, all due to heavy-handed moderation by officious homos that nobody liked or respected, who just crushed all of the fun and most of the community spirit out of the place by deleting shit and banning people left, right and centre without warning and without explanation.

So IMHO the more transparent new style we have here, is better than just nuking shit without warning or explanation.

If that edifies the occasional pissant little troll, by Leaving his work up and visible for him to goon to in private, that is a small price to pay for a much greater good: enabling all of the good users to see that the rules are being enforced consistently and fairly, by mods who respect the group enough to explain their actions via the notes about why X was worth a Y% warning.

 

[Fat Link]

 

[Todd Thundercock]

old mod team was knajjd banning anyone on a whim.

there were no complaints cause he was drunk with power and unjustly banned anyone according to his mood.

Knajjd made up shit to ban people and then would talk shit about them based on his delusions.

Why mods still defend that little faggot..

 

[Grunge-Cel]

100% agreed

 

[Adolf Kitler]

nah, the moderation is fine how it is

 

[Dregster]

To @Fat Link and the rest of the mod team:

Back when I was a moderator of this forum, the prevailing approach to rule violations was straightforward and effective: posts or threads that broke the rules were usually simply deleted in addition to a warning or permaban being given to the offender depending on the severity of the rule violation, previous offenses, etc. This policy served its purpose without issue. In some cases we would leave the threads up if we felt it was of public interest to do so, but ultimately it was up to our discretion.

However, after Serge stepped down, the strategy shifted. The new approach involved leaving the offending threads visible but adding a note to indicate the moderator action taken, be it a permanent ban or a X percentage warning. From what I understand, this change aimed to appease the community and promote transparency.

In my opinion, reverting to the old policy of simply deleting threads that blatantly violate the rules would benefit all parties involved (except for trolls and users that otherwise really like to break the rules). Take the case of the user Shitskin, for instance:

https://incels.is/threads/the-best-feeling-ive-ever-had.701568/

Saar! Saar!

Ban him saar he had sex!

incels.is

This was a clear troll account, and under the old policy, I would have simply wiped their entire post history and moved on.

Here’s the core issue with leaving rule-violating threads visible: it incentivizes trolling. Trolls will see that their disruptive threads remain up even if they’re banned, which only encourages them. It also emboldens the user who was banned to come back and do it again, as I'm sure you all know, trolls are notorious for evading bans.

Also it encourages even users who aren't total trolls to violate the rules. It might seem more "worth it" for the 30 percent (or whatever) warning to humblebrag or make a cherrypick thread since the thread will remain up even if they're temp banned.

And speaking from experience, when I was younger, I sometimes trolled forums myself, so I'm able to understand how they think. If my posts were swiftly deleted, it was a major buzzkill, it felt like my efforts were for nothing. But if my posts remained visible, even after a ban, it encouraged me to troll more, knowing that my “work” would still garner attention and reactions.

Fat Link, I urge you to reconsider this policy. Perhaps you could take this to a moderator vote, or even a public vote.

sincerely (because incels.is is VERY serious business),
Ryo_hazuki - former mod of incels.is and /r/incels

Anything that gets a warning from me is also deleted so, Im good.

I dont agree with the other mods reason for not deleting them, as no thread/post deserve to exist if it warranted a warning in the first place.

 

[SlayerSlayer]

here's why I disagree, though I highly respect your opinion:

I want the banned user's post to be a crucifixion symbol, because usually the person that is banned, is 95% of the time, a fucking cuck. So it just feels good to ban the cuck and have their last piece of cuck writing as a trophy of the hill they died on. I want all the users of incels.is to know just how much of a cuck the banned user was to set an example.