Serious An apology to Biowaste Removal

[Horatio Alger]

Despite my firm moral conviction in absolute obedience to a totalitarian state since a total state, by definition, seeks to improve the human condition through ruthless social engineering (while Communist regimes are hardly robust engines of economic growth, I still was of the belief that it was morally wrong to oppose a total state with utopian aspirations), I crossed the line by stating the execution of his great-grandfather and the subsequent impoverishment of his formerly well-off family was justified in the name of regime stability.

I hereby apologize for my emotional insensitivity and arrogance towards @Biowaste Removal

 

[Grodd]

Apologies.is

 

[Horatio Alger]

Can somebody tag him in here?

There is a chance he blocked me

 

[Acorn]

K

 

[Thugs-5-Less]

dnr

 

[psyop]

Apology accepted

 

[JKlancecaster069]

Can somebody tag him in here?

There is a chance he blocked me

@Biowaste Removal

 

[Horatio Alger]

@Biowaste Removal

Thank you

 

[Friezacel]

Over for ChatGPT cels

 

[NeverEvenBegan]

I hereby apologize for my emotional insensitivity and arrogance towards @

@Biowaste Removal

 

[Horatio Alger]

Over for ChatGPT cels

I didn't write this in ChatGPT

 

[Horatio Alger]

Over for ChatGPT cels

I was merely paraphrasing James Scott plus Silberstein in describing a totalitarian state

 

[Horatio Alger]

Over for ChatGPT cels

Also Montiefore, a prominent Sovietologist who wrote a biography of Iosef Stalin, described Soviet ideology as utopian (there is a consensus among sovietologists that the USSR can be considered totalitarian during the Stalin years)

 

[Horatio Alger]

Over for ChatGPT cels

Not everybody is retarded

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

@Biowaste Removal

 

[Horatio Alger]

Over for ChatGPT cels

James C. Scott wrote Seeing like a state, which was cited by the likes of Mearsheimer and Silberstein, a prominent researcher on North Korean institutions and daily life

It describes the commonality of all totalitarian states is the utopian drive to better the human condition

 

[Horatio Alger]

Over for ChatGPT cels

If you think writing a short, basic apology is beyond the ability of a human being like myself, you must either be lazy or stupid

 

[Horatio Alger]

Over for ChatGPT cels

I apologize for the aggression, but it is extremely insulting to imply that I lack the intelligence and the empathy to put at least some effort into a deserved applogy

 

[Blacksmith]

If you think writing a short, basic apology is beyond the ability of a human being like myself, you must either be lazy or stupid

One COULD argue that consistently omitting "." at the end of sentences is a strong indication that we are dealing with someone lazy or stupid.

Honest apologies (like yours) are a good thing, though!

Regardless, I would say that the thought process and decision leading up to you posting the original statement (insult) about executing the well-off ancestors are indications of a clouded mind, or at least a morally corrupted person.

I say this with no anger or ill will, but I will suggest that you approach the totalitarian state ideas with some critical thinking. Alternatively, simply apply the view of pragmatism; when did such totalitarianism result in prosperity, truth, trust and peace? Or even ONE of the above factors?

No, totalitarian states are built on lies, vanity, violence, hate and perversion, and they lead to distrust, improductivity, lies, poverty, immorality, hate and ultimately war.

It would be easier to do the changes of human biology and nature required for a totalitarian state to function, than to implement the state itself.
The evidence is that while we humans HAVE managed to implement totalitarian states, they have all failed, as we have not managed to change human nature. The (perverse and immoral) idea of a (successful) totalitarian state will keep failing, as it is not compatible with human nature.

 

[Fevet]

Not everybody is retarded

What a snowflake , types out 7 posts in response because someone remotely doubted the superiah intelligence that you boast of

 

[psyop]

If you think writing a short, basic apology is beyond the ability of a human being like myself, you must either be lazy or stupid

Oh, my apologies. I didn’t mean to undermine the emotional labour that clearly went into crafting a thesis length apology for something that could’ve been resolved with a bit of basic decency upfront. It’s genuinely impressive how you managed to turn a simple “sorry” into a dramatic soliloquy about your philosophical journey. Truly, it takes a special kind of self-awareness to centre your moral evolution in an apology for some bullshit. But hey, if flexing your vocabulary helps you sleep at night, who am I to stand in the way of such progress?

 

[Friezacel]

I apologize for the aggression, but it is extremely insulting to imply that I lack the intelligence and the empathy to put at least some effort into a deserved applogy

Nigga wtf is that spam, why did i wake up to you tagging me a million times

 

[poorenglishcel]

English mogs me

 

[justuseless]

POS move on your part. You should be beheaded for causing social strife among the masses.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

If you believe in cleansing society for utopia, then his grandpa was just a casualty of progress. You just lacked the balls to stand by it when it got personal.

 

[Fevet]

Nigga wtf is that spam, why did i wake up to you tagging me a million times

he chimped out because you bruised his ego

 

[justuseless]

If you believe in cleansing society for utopia, then his grandpa was just a casualty of progress. You just lacked the balls to stand by it when it got personal.

If he truly believed in the betterment of society for chads, stacies and normies he would advocate for incel genocide and off himself

 

[Horatio Alger]

If you believe in cleansing society for utopia, then his grandpa was just a casualty of progress. You just lacked the balls to stand by it when it got personal.

I suppose I am too empathetic for my own good like my father

If he truly believed in the betterment of society for chads, stacies and normies he would advocate for incel genocide and off himself

I advocate for the genocide of the low IQ, physically feeble, and mentally ill which has a large overlap with incels but is not necessarily targeted at incels

 

[Horatio Alger]

he chimped out because you bruised his ego

Well, it is insulting for somebody to be dismissive of my interests and efforts

 

[Horatio Alger]

POS move on your part. You should be beheaded for causing social strife among the masses.

I don't really see how a brief argument on an obscure forum would be considered as social strife

 

[Horatio Alger]

Oh, my apologies. I didn’t mean to undermine the emotional labour that clearly went into crafting a thesis length apology for something that could’ve been resolved with a bit of basic decency upfront. It’s genuinely impressive how you managed to turn a simple “sorry” into a dramatic soliloquy about your philosophical journey. Truly, it takes a special kind of self-awareness to centre your moral evolution in an apology for some bullshit. But hey, if flexing your vocabulary helps you sleep at night, who am I to stand in the way of such progress?

Sorry if I seemed narcissistic

I was trying to write formally

 

[Horatio Alger]

One COULD argue that consistently omitting "." at the end of sentences is a strong indication that we are dealing with someone lazy or stupid.

Honest apologies (like yours) are a good thing, though!

Regardless, I would say that the thought process and decision leading up to you posting the original statement (insult) about executing the well-off ancestors are indications of a clouded mind, or at least a morally corrupted person.

I say this with no anger or ill will, but I will suggest that you approach the totalitarian state ideas with some critical thinking. Alternatively, simply apply the view of pragmatism; when did such totalitarianism result in prosperity, truth, trust and peace? Or even ONE of the above factors?

No, totalitarian states are built on lies, vanity, violence, hate and perversion, and they lead to distrust, improductivity, lies, poverty, immorality, hate and ultimately war.

It would be easier to do the changes of human biology and nature required for a totalitarian state to function, than to implement the state itself.
The evidence is that while we humans HAVE managed to implement totalitarian states, they have all failed, as we have not managed to change human nature. The (perverse and immoral) idea of a (successful) totalitarian state will keep failing, as it is not compatible with human nature.

Communist totalitarian states result in economic slowdowns, but most Western autopsies point towards top down economic planning as the culprit and not its political system. Most of the East Asian miracle states experienced economic growth during their dictatorship period (only reason they transitioned to democracies was due to being allied to America, an overwhelmingly liberal state with a universal ideology). Singapore is still somewhat authoritarian and Japan is arguably a one party state controlled by bureaucrats similar to WW2 Japan (with the exception of military elites) according to Azar Gat in Victorious and Vulnerable: Why Democracy Won in the 20th Century and How it is Still Inperiled

Also, the nature of most innovations are politically neutral in nature, with new technologies often enhancing surveillance capabilities of a state. Aside from the egregious Lysenko affair, there is no evidence of state suppression of science even in Communist states. There is some evidence that the persecution of Jewish scientists in Nazi Germany did not greatly impede scientific progress (since brilliant Jews were, for the most part, replaced by equally brilliant German scientists) according to the book Surviving the Swastika
There is a reason why the Allies went to enormous lengths to accommodate German scientists and secure their research

Nazi German soi distant "Aryan Mathematics" was dropped by the state after it realized that it might impede technological advancement and, by extension, its fighting capabilities

Also, only COMMUNIST totalitarian states have failed exonomcially, fascist states like Nazi Germany and Italy were economically developed with an abundance of scientific innovation by 1945. What's Nazi about Nazi Science? Recent Trends in the History of Science in Nazi Germany

Due to the early termination of those political experiments, it is uncertain how they would have faired in the Information Era, but the surveillance potential of information technology plus the politically neutral nature of most branches of science makes me confident they would have represented a viable alternative to Western democracy

 

[justuseless]

I suppose I am too empathetic for my own good like my father

I advocate for the genocide of the low IQ, physically feeble, and mentally ill which has a large overlap with incels but is not necessarily targeted at incels

I think your father needs to be executed once he becomes a disgusting feeble old dog

Chad and stacy must prosper at all costs

 

[justuseless]

I don't really see how a brief argument on an obscure forum would be considered as social strife

Biowaste will go ER now. Many chads, stacies and MTNs will die because of you. We need to deal with you.

 

[Horatio Alger]

I think your father needs to be executed once he becomes a disgusting feeble old dog

Chad and stacy must prosper at all costs

There is only a moderate to no correlation between IQ and facial attractiveness according to some studies, so chads and stacies aren't that beneficial to society

 

[Horatio Alger]

Biowaste will go ER now. Many chads, stacies and MTNs will die because of you. We need to deal with you.

Most of them are average IQ

 

[justuseless]

There is only a moderate to no correlation between IQ and facial attractiveness according to some studies, so chads and stacies aren't that beneficial to society

You said society not high IQ people. Society = NTFags

 

[justuseless]

Most of them are average IQ

Society is average IQ.

 

[Horatio Alger]

You said society not high IQ people. Society = NTFags

High IQ people are the most beneficial to society

 

[Horatio Alger]

Society is average IQ.

IQ could be raised through eugenics similar to how the selective pressure in the 1300s raised Ashkenazi Jewish IQ by several points (due to being restricted to financial jobs, only those with financial prowess were able to pass on their genes)

 

[justuseless]

High IQ people are the most beneficial to society

But not the most benefitted which is the point

 

[justuseless]

IQ could be raised through eugenics similar to how the selective pressure in the 1300s raised Ashkenazi Jewish IQ by several points (due to being restricted to financial jobs, only those with financial prowess were able to pass on their genes)

Raised for what end

 

[Blacksmith]

Communist totalitarian states result in economic slowdowns, but most Western autopsies point towards top down economic planning as the culprit and not its political system. Most of the East Asian miracle states experienced economic growth during their dictatorship period (only reason they transitioned to democracies was due to being allied to America, an overwhelmingly liberal state with a universal ideology). Singapore is still somewhat authoritarian and Japan is arguably a one party state controlled by bureaucrats similar to WW2 Japan (with the exception of military elites) according to Azar Gat in Victorious and Vulnerable: Why Democracy Won in the 20th Century and How it is Still Inperiled

Also, the nature of most innovations are politically neutral in nature, with new technologies often enhancing surveillance capabilities of a state. Aside from the egregious Lysenko affair, there is no evidence of state suppression of science even in Communist states. There is some evidence that the persecution of Jewish scientists in Nazi Germany did not greatly impede scientific progress (since brilliant Jews were, for the most part, replaced by equally brilliant German scientists) according to the book Surviving the Swastika
There is a reason why the Allies went to enormous lengths to accommodate German scientists and secure their research

Nazi German soi distant "Aryan Mathematics" was dropped by the state after it realized that it might impede technological advancement and, by extension, its fighting capabilities

Also, only COMMUNIST totalitarian states have failed exonomcially, fascist states like Nazi Germany and Italy were economically developed with an abundance of scientific innovation by 1945. What's Nazi about Nazi Science? Recent Trends in the History of Science in Nazi Germany

Due to the early termination of those political experiments, it is uncertain how they would have faired in the Information Era, but the surveillance potential of information technology plus the politically neutral nature of most branches of science makes me confident they would have represented a viable alternative to Western democracy

Nice post, although leaning towards the word salad-y direction. However, your speculation and "what if"s do not in any way falsify my pragmatic, actual statement that totalitarian (implying that they are opressive) regimes push their countries into enormous suffering, moral erosion and often ultimately to war.

One problem is that the least suitable people, the ones filled with lies, rage, hate, violence, sadism and other awful things tend to rise in such environment, making for a lack of your beloved "scientific objectivism" once the lofty ideals are to be made into concrete law, rules and bans.
I am not saying the current western society is great, but most of its current flaws stem from a heavily politicized legtist agenda raising its ugly head everywhere, from schools, higher education, corporate world and marketing. And now, even AI are comically woke.

 

[Horatio Alger]

Nice post, although leaning towards the word salad-y direction. However, your speculation and "what if"s do not in any way falsify my pragmatic, actual statement that totalitarian (implying that they are opressive) regimes push their countries into enormous suffering, moral erosion and often ultimately to war.

One problem is that the least suitable people, the ones filled with lies, rage, hate, violence, sadism and other awful things tend to rise in such environment, making for a lack of your beloved "scientific objectivism" once the lofty ideals are to be made into concrete law, rules and bans.
I am not saying the current western society is great, but most of its current flaws stem from a heavily politicized legtist agenda raising its ugly head everywhere, from schools, higher education, corporate world and marketing. And now, even AI are comically woke.

WW2 occured due to the existence of a potential Hegemon, Nazi Germany similar to the start of WW1.

Since the potential hegemon sees the best way to maximize its political survival through domination, as Prof. mearsheimer states.

As for scientific objectivism, there is a plethora of evidence that political persecutions did not do much to greatly impede scientific advancement, since much basic R and D occured in Nazi Germany, and even the likes of Stalin's Great Purge and Mao Zedong's cultural revolution only resulted in temporary economic losses and did not impede their nuclear programs substantially

I could care less about all the suffering and sadism as long as such a state implements eugenics to forcefully improve the population

 

[Horatio Alger]

But not the most benefitted which is the point

Raised for what end

If the average societal IQ was raised to 145, then high IQs would also benefit the most due to being the new average (145 would be the new 100)

Raised to increase the economic and technological capacity of the state, thus contributing to greater military might and maximizing the chances of the state's survival

 

[justuseless]

If the average societal IQ was raised to 145, then high IQs would also benefit the most due to being the new average (145 would be the new 100)

Raised to increase the economic and technological capacity of the state, thus contributing to greater military might and maximizing the chances of the state's survival

If it was raised to 145 they'd still be average IQ after standardisation and most of those people would be chads/stacies/mtns

Which state? You want every totalitarian state to survive?

 

[Horatio Alger]

If it was raised to 145 they'd still be average IQ after standardisation and most of those people would be chads/stacies/mtns

Which state? You want every totalitarian state to survive?

My primary concern is to raise the average intelligence of the population. I could care less about their looks since looks do not meaningfully contribute to scientific or economic advancement

Ideally only one state should exist as a global hegemon

 

[justuseless]

My only concern is to raise the average intelligence of the population. I could care less about their looks since looks do not meaningfully contribute to scientific or economic advancement

Ideally only one state should exist as a global hegemon

So you support a brutal totalitarian state because its the best avenue for progress which in turn is the best way for the state to survive? Seems circular

Why do you personally care unless you're part of the ruling elite (which you arent in the case of the ccp)?

By survive you mean against other states right. I doubt ur implying they need that level of military progress to fend of civilian uprisings. Once thats achieved and u have a one world government then what.

All of it seems pretty pointless tbh

 

[Horatio Alger]

So you support a brutal totalitarian state because its the best avenue for progress which in turn is the best way for the state to survive? Seems circular

Why do you personally care unless you're part of the ruling elite (which you arent in the case of the ccp)?

By survive you mean against other states right. I doubt ur implying they need that level of military progress to fend of civilian uprisings. Once thats achieved and u have a one world government then what.

All of it seems pretty pointless tbh

The driving imperative for all life on the planet is to survive and pass on their genes.

Human beings are social animals that form social groups to survive. Social groups help increase the chances of group survival as a whole.

The highest social group in the current international system is the nation

The best way for a nation to survive is to have it's own state, a nation-state, if you will (since states have political institutions that allows its citizens to live productively and help defend them against other nations)

Ergo, since the sole purpose of life is to survive, maximizing the chances of a state's survival is the primary moral imperative of every human citizen of said state (since the nation is the highest social group, ensuring its survival is a net benefit overall for its constituents).

The best way for a state to survive in an anarchic international system is to be the ONLY state in the system left (this making the international system unipolar).

That's why I strongly belief in complete loyalty to a total state, or Wehrstaat (a totalitarian "national defense state"), that seems to maximize economic and technological mobilization and hope it achieves world domination (if other life exists beyond Earth, that is an additional incentive to maximize scientific, technological, and economical progress in order to ensure we don't fall behind)

 

[justuseless]

The driving imperative for all life on the planet is to survive and pass on their genes.

Human beings are social animals that form social groups to survive. Social groups help increase the chances of group survival as a whole.

The highest social group in the current international system is the nation

The best way for a nation to survive is to have it's own state, a nation-state, if you will (since states have political institutions that allows its citizens to live productively and help defend them against other nations)

Ergo, since the sole purpose of life is to survive, maximizing the chances of a state's survival is the primary moral imperative of every human citizen of said state (since the nation is the highest social group, ensuring its survival is a net benefit overall for its constituents).

And yet you're incel. You wont pass on your genes and survive. So why do you care about some sexhavers hundreds of years in the future.

Idk about modelling morality and the purpose of life (if they even exist) on some primitive biological impulse.

The state surviving against who? We're no longer living in the age of conquest. The only party with that idea would be your totalitarian state. The result would be unnecessary suffering for its populace as well a every other.

The best way for a state to survive in an anarchic international system is to be the ONLY state in the system left ( making the international system unipolar).

Thats probably the worst way as history has shown. It will just get wiped out.

That's why I strongly belief in complete loyalty to a total state, or Wehrstaat (a totalitarian "national defense state"), that seems to maximize economic and technological mobilization and hope it achieves world domination (if other life exists beyond Earth, that is an additional incentive to maximize scientific, technological, and economical progress in order to ensure we don't fall behind)

All of this still doesn't answer why *you* support any of this. Your answer just circles back to the the survival of state for survivals sake and the benefit of a handful of people somewhere down the line while potentially the majority suffer

When you say "a total state" do you mean its not necessarily your in-group? idk how that would mesh with your first point