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No that I'm aware of. It's not about psychedelics, but about psychedelic tryptamines, and the few that have therapeutic potential are Schedule I in most countries. Anyways, I don't think it will be long until they're legalized, because two of the criteria to be in Schedule I is "not having therapeutic potential" and "high potential for abuse", and both of those claims are false with these substances: they have medicinal properties and it's physiologically impossible to get addicted to them.
If MDMA or shrooms got legalized that would help some people here tbh because those drugs mog alcohol in inducing good NT low inhib feelings tbhngl
 
If MDMA or shrooms got legalized that would help some people here tbh because those drugs mog alcohol in inducing good NT low inhib feelings tbhngl
Indeed, but I have mixed feelings with Molly. It is kinda neurotoxic (but alcohol is too, so fuck it). The most potential for it seems to be for treating PTSD while being in a therapy session. But shrooms? The world would be a better place. And it's not far form happening.
 
Indeed, but I have mixed feelings with Molly. It is kinda neurotoxic (but alcohol is too, so fuck it). The most potential for it seems to be for treating PTSD while being in a therapy session. But shrooms? The world would be a better place. And it's not far form happening.
The possiblity of shrooms being legalized in the near future is a whitepill tbh
But both MDMA and shrooms being legal and easy to get? The new soma (Brave New World reference) tbhngl
 
The possiblity of shrooms being legalized in the near future is a whitepill tbh
But both MDMA and shrooms being legal and easy to get? The new soma (Brave New World reference) tbhngl
Actually, the drink made out of shrooms was called soma by some tribes in India, if my memory doesn't fail. Aldous Huxley knew this before writing Brave New World. In fact, he experimented with mescaline and wrote about it in a book called The doors of perception. And, man, does he speak good of it.

Furthermore, if my memory doesn't betray me again, the word "psychedelic" was coined for first time in history by an intellectual friend of Huxley, from Greek psyché (mind) and delos (reveal), thus meaning "mind-revealers". It's not coincidence, it's not the "new" soma. It is soma :feelsthink:
 
Actually, the drink made out of shrooms was called soma by some tribes in India, if my memory doesn't fail. Aldous Huxley knew this before writing Brave New World. In fact, he experimented with mescaline and wrote about it in a book called The doors of perception. And, man, does he speak good of it.

Furthermore, if my memory doesn't betray me again, the word "psychedelic" was coined for first time in history by an intellectual friend of Huxley, from Greek psyché (mind) and delos (reveal), thus meaning "mind-revealers". It's not coincidence, it's not the "new" soma. It is soma :feelsthink:
Didn't know that. Cliche but sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
Soma is cope but it's cope or rope and incels need all the copes they can get tbhngl
 
Didn't know that. Cliche but sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
Soma is cope but it's cope or rope and incels need all the copes they can get tbhngl
Trust me: it's beyond cope. And the soma depicted in Brave New World isn't like the one in real life because real soma can't be taken all the time like the characters in the novel do (infused in drinks and foods, etc.). I take em' once every 6-15 months and at John Hopkins uni they are administrating it only twice with a month between doses.

I insist on what I say in the OP: Inceldom is 60-85% more bearable after this. I consider myself to be a happy person (I have my ups and downs, but nothing out of the natural order of things), and I had a 10 year depression with suicidal ideation that couldn't cure with SSRI's and I solved it just with a couple of trips. It's really powerful.
 
Trust me: it's beyond cope. And the soma depicted in Brave New World isn't like the one in real life because real soma can't be taken all the time like the characters in the novel do (infused in drinks and foods, etc.). I take em' once every 6-15 months and at John Hopkins uni they are administrating it only twice with a month between doses.

I insist on what I say in the OP: Inceldom is 60-85% more bearable after this. I consider myself to be a happy person (I have my ups and downs, but nothing out of the natural order of things), and I had a 10 year depression with suicidal ideation that couldn't cure with SSRI's and I solved it just with a couple of trips. It's really powerful.
If only it becomes legal then. A lot of incels just want to cope easier. This would be nothing but good news for them.
 
Interesting, I’ll keep this for mtaelf
 
If you have to take drugs to come to a realization then you are really just handicapping your own mental faculties and making yourself dependent on drugs to think introspectively, something you should be able to do on your own with a few minutes to yourself, this is why all this "DMT experience" nonsense sounds like a joke to me, you don't need a drug to have those thoughts
I disagree. Plenty of high IQ physicists and mathematicians working on vague abstract concepts use DMT for inspiration.

Read Ralph Abraham's ( a mathematician ) book "The Evolutionary Mind"
 
Plenty of high IQ physicists and mathematicians working on vague abstract concepts use DMT for inspiration

That isn't an argument against anything I said, they didn't NEED to use DMT to think introspectively, they more likely than not just WANTED to try it, it was an experiment to them

Your argument is kind of funny because you are calling them "high IQ" but at the same time you are implying these "high IQ" guys couldn't think introspectively without drug use

They didn't need it for inspiration, I'd bet my left hand they just wanted to try it, and their current research was a nice excuse

Its like how those anthropologists who go to remote villages and tribes untouched by the modern world NEED to take part in their "pass the pipe around" rituals and use whatever drug they are using to "fit in"

JFL its a convenient excuse, they just wanted to try the drug

Read Ralph Abraham's ( a mathematician ) book "The Evolutionary Mind"

I really hate this cliche sentence (read X book from X guy for "muh enlightenment"), because its the most cliche thing about the modern way of thinking

Pointlessly seeking out knowledge for the sake of it (knowledge for the sake of knowing something)

That's a waste of time

I spend hours reading this book and what do I objectively get out of it?

NOTHING, I'll still be poor, it won't help me get laid, it would give me financial advice, I'll just get to pat myself on the back for "being a reader" and consider myself "more enlightened"

Its a waste of time, like reading novels

If the contents of a book doesn't OBJECTIVELY improve your life (your feelings don't matter) then it was a complete waste of time
 
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That isn't an argument against anything I said, they didn't NEED to use DMT to think introspectively, they more likely than not just wanted to TRY it, it was an experiment to them

Your argument is kind of funny because you are calling them "high IQ" but at the same time you are implying these "high IQ" guys couldn't think introspectively without drug use

They didn't need it for inspiration, I'd bet my left hand they just wanted to try it, and their current research was a nice excuse

Its like how those anthropologists who go to remote villages and tribes untouched by the modern world NEED to take part in their "pass the pipe around" rituals and use whatever drug they are using to "fit in"

JFL its a convenient excuse, they just wanted to try the drug



I really hate this cliche sentence (read X book from X guy for "muh enlightenment"), because its the most cliche thing about the modern way of thinking

Pointlessly seeking out knowledge for the sake of it (knowledge for the sake of knowing something)

That's a waste of time

I spend hours reading this book and what do I objectively get out of it?

NOTHING, I'll still be poor, it won't help me get laid, it would give me financial advice, I'll just get to pat myself on the back for "being a reader" and consider myself "more enlightened"

Its a waste of time, like reading novels

If the contents of a book doesn't OBJECTIVELY improve your life (your feelings don't matter) then it was a complete waste of time
I agree with you in about 70% of what you say.

Any experience that provides a different perspective about certain problems can potentially give you insight into solving such problems. If you are "low IQ" you won't tap into it; if you are "high IQ", you might integrate that/those insight(s) to improve your daily life or make breakthrough discoveries (but yeah, most probably, they just wanted to try it. They didn't need it).

It can also work the other way around: If you're not so "high IQ" or your cognitive performance is impaired by, for example, depression, you will certainly boost your capabilities with this because of its neurogenic and synaptogenic properties (i.e. more neurons and more connected, I could explain you why this is good but it would take me ages to do so). And with "you" I mean generically, not specifically you. You don't look like you "need" it.

Also, there's nothing wrong with reading novels or non fiction if someone enjoys reading them. It's a recreative activity enjoyable by itself, like having sex, watching movies, playing sports... you name it. People need time to disconnect a recharge batteries and for some people, that might do (I find them a waste of time too ngl, but that's just my opinion). You know: work to live, not live to work. Objectively speaking, nothing (or everything) is a waste of time, as life has no meaning, it's pointless. If you enjoy learning things for the sake of it without purpose and just for the pleasure of it, fine! Don't you want the same with sex? Just for the pleasure of it, without making babies? For me, it looks like you are not saying "that's a waste of time", but rather "that's a waste of time for me". And I didn't mention that you have spent "Online76d 3h 23m". Isn't that a waste of time? Yes and no.

I don't know, I'm very wary of calling something "objective", because things rarely are that way.
 
It's a recreative activity enjoyable by itself, like having sex, watching movies, playing sports... you name it

JFL dude you are coping by comparing reading a book to having sex much less watching movies (the movies comparison I understand a bit but sex, come on dude, lets not be deluded)

If you scan of the average persons brain during these activities for 95% of people the parts of the brain that indicate pleasure and excitement will be higher with the other activities rather than reading

Reading is literally objectively less enjoyable than the other activities you listed

It requires more effort, it consumes more time and it stimulates the brain way less than a screen of flashing lights with sound (obviously, one is obviously more noticeable and stimulates more senses), comparing reading to movies is kind ridiculous, if you place a book in front of an animal it won't even know why, put a movie on in front of it, and it will stare at it and try to understand what it is seeing (or even attack it lol)

I'm sure there are some people who experience the same excitement with reading as the average person does with movies, but that's called the exception to the rule

The time consuming aspect of reading is also what makes it feel "boring" too, which is why a lot of people use audio books today, you can just absorb the knowledge faster that way

Objectively speaking, nothing (or everything) is a waste of time, as life has no meaning, it's pointless

That's 100% false

Time being wasted HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH "MEANING", IT HAS TO DO WITH A COST/BENEFIT ANALYSIS PERTAINING TO GOALS/TASKS

If both of us have to create written reports for our jobs, and you handwrite all of your reports, and I just type it out and use premade templates for formatting, YOU ARE WASTING TIME because you are inefficient. You are doing more work to end up with the same end result as me (in fact mines will look better) and its taking you longer

If were both fishing, and you are using your barehands in a shallow stream and I'm using a fishing rod with bait or a net, you are going to get fish at a way lower rate that I am, its going to take you longer and you'll end up with less fish, so you WOULD BE WASTING TIME

Meaning has nothing to do with anything, the concept of TIME BEING WASTED IS IN RELATION TO A GOAL/TASK

Goals and tasks exist without life having "meaning"

If you are hungry you need to eat, life having meaning or not has nothing to do with that simple fact

If you have work/labor to complete so you can get resources you'll do the work, life having meaning or not has nothing to do with that at all

And I didn't mention that you have spent "Online76d 3h 23m". Isn't that a waste of time? Yes and no.

Depends on what my goal was, at first I was just here to find like minded men, then over time I realized most users were nothing like me, and many were just idiots who wanted to LDAR all day and never change their lives, so I started to basically narrow down a small list of users who I interact with a lot on a consistent basis, who have given me great advice with respect to my financial pursuits, and some who I will be depending on for their knowledge with respect to hookercelling ("escortcelling" - hate calling it this)

So no, it wasn't a waste of time, my time here has led to me making money on the forex market and one day I may even get rich because of time I spent here and THE PEOPLE I CHOSE TO INTERACT WITH

You seem to be thinking of me as the typical user who spams the site with memes and only talks about LDAR, I'm actually here to learn and get advice from other incels who are doing well, and that's exactly what I have done and I continue to do

I don't know, I'm very wary of calling something "objective", because things rarely are that way.

Maybe in "your world", but to me these things are obvious and self evident

The pursuit of nutrition (food) for an animal is an objective pursuit as you need it to survive, its as simple as that, if someone benefits your existence and/or prolongs it, its an objective goal (for example the pursuit wealth), and its usually the things that do nothing for your existence or in fact actually are a detriment to it that are subjective (for example getting married as a man)

Men get married due to subjective teachings, there is no longer an objective benefit to marriage because men are no longer in control, yet men still get married, and that's because of subjective concepts they were raised to believe in like - "love", "God", "manhood", etc

The best example I can give you is learning to play an instrument for the sake of it, it requires hours and hours of practice and dedication, and for what, so you can play some song to yourself?

That's what happens to the average person who just randomly decides to learn an instrument. They don't join a band, they don't "make it", they don't play in an orchestra, they don't have a fanbase and generate income from it (like youtube musicians), they just play for no reason at all other than "it makes me feel happy"

I know for a fact you are going to say some nonsense like that - "well it makes them feel happy"

That's not an argument and that's literally my point about having a subjective mindset, because ANYONE CAN BE HAPPY DOING ANYTHING SO ONE BEING HAPPY ISN'T EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE MAKING A RATIONAL CHOICE

Serial killers enjoy killing people, pornstars enjoy doing porn, addicts enjoy using drugs, etc

Mere enjoyment/elation in doing an act does not validate the act as a "good" choice (and by "good" I mean logically sound, not the subjective "morally good" nonsense most people live by)
 
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JFL dude you are coping by comparing reading a book to having sex much less watching movies (the movies comparison I understand a bit but sex, come on dude, lets not be deluded)

If you scan of the average persons brain during these activities for 95% of people the parts of the brain that indicate pleasure and excitement will be higher with the other activities rather than reading

Reading is literally objectively less enjoyable than the other activities you listed

It requires more effort, it consumes more time and it stimulates the brain way less than a screen of flashing lights with sound (obviously, one is obviously more noticeable and stimulates more senses), comparing reading to movies is kind ridiculous, if you place a book in front of an animal it won't even know why, put a movie on in front of it, and it will stare at it and try to understand what it is seeing (or even attack it lol)

I'm sure there are some people who experience the same excitement with reading as the average person does with movies, but that's called the exception to the rule

The time consuming aspect of reading is also what makes it feel "boring" too, which is why a lot of people use audio books today, you can just absorb the knowledge faster that way
I agree with everything you say here. But that wasn't the point. Ofc sex is more enjoyable, I'm just saying you can do certain things to have a good time, regardless of the amount of pleasure, just because you like them. Specially after work. Or do you work 24/7 non-stop to get sex? No. You also need a cooldown. You just replied me with a wall of text on a fringe forum, and that is less pleasurable and takes more effort than having sex and won't get you anywhere (I think). Conversely, if maximum pleasure and minimal effort is the goal, why don't you do heroin? (Rhetorical question, ofc you won't do it and you shouldn't).

That's 100% false

Time being wasted HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH "MEANING", IT HAS TO DO WITH A COST/BENEFIT ANALYSIS PERTAINING TO GOALS/TASKS

If both of us have to create written reports for our jobs, and you handwrite all of your reports, and I just type it out and use premade templates for formatting, YOU ARE WASTING TIME because you are inefficient. You are doing more work to end up with the same end result as me (in fact mines will look better) and its taking you longer

If were both fishing, and you are using your barehands in a shallow stream and I'm using a fishing rod with bait or a net, you are going to get fish at a way lower rate that I am, its going to take you longer and you'll end up with less fish, so you WOULD BE WASTING TIME

Meaning has nothing to do with anything, the concept of TIME BEING WASTED IS IN RELATION TO A GOAL/TASK

Goals and tasks exist without life having "meaning"

If you are hungry you need to eat, life having meaning or not has nothing to do with that simple fact

If you have work/labor to complete so you can get resources you'll do the work, life having meaning or not has nothing to do with that at all
Good point, I had a misdirection there. I actually wanted to mean what you say with the lack of meaning. Now, your goals might be different than mine: I don't want to be where I am, but because I'm a bit older, I don't enjoy orgasms as much anymore. Also, experience has made wary of the hedonic threadmill. And to that add that I don't like the numbness post-orgasm and the weakness that accompanies it during days. This is subjective, I don't like those things. Still, I'd rather be able to fuck from time to time. I just have some other things I want to attend. And that without talking about actual asexuals.

Depends on what my goal was, at first I was just here to find like minded men, then over time I realized most users were nothing like me, and many were just idiots who wanted to LDAR all day and never change their lives, so I started to basically narrow down a small list of users who I interact with a lot on a consistent basis, who have given me great advice with respect to my financial pursuits, and some who I will be depending on for their knowledge with respect to hookercelling ("escortcelling" - hate calling it this)

So no, it wasn't a waste of time, my time here has led to me making money on the forex market and one day I may even get rich because of time I spent here and THE PEOPLE I CHOSE TO INTERACT WITH

You seem to be thinking of me as the typical user who spams the site with memes and only talks about LDAR, I'm actually here to learn and get advice from other incels who are doing well, and that's exactly what I have done and I continue to do
Ok, concerning your goals, it wasn't a waste of time. Awesome tbh. I'm investing half internationally (JinkoSolar (JKS) is giving me good returns only with dividends and I bought shitloads of, in its time, penny stocks) half locally (best one so far for me in Ibex 35 has been Acciona, (ACXIF) but COLVIN-19 is fuckin' errthing up a little bit). Great to find you are a financel.

The pursuit of nutrition (food) for an animal is an objective pursuit as you need it to survive, its as simple as that, if someone benefits your existence and/or prolongs it, its an objective goal (for example the pursuit wealth), and its usually the things that do nothing for your existence or in fact actually are a detriment to it that are subjective (for example getting married as a man)

By this logic you should go vegan because a whole food plant based diet is the healthiest when done properly (prolongs both healthspan and lifespan for a myriad of reasons, I'm talking thousands of studies here) and doesn't destroy the world you live in through carbon footprint, deforestation, water pollution, etc. like meat, dairy and poultry. What's stopping you from going vegan and stopping to consume something you don't need in your life already? ...Taste/Sensory pleasure alone. Very objective.

Men get married due to subjective teachings, there is no longer an objective benefit to marriage because men are no longer in control, yet men still get married, and that's because of subjective concepts they were raised to believe in like - "love", "God", "manhood", etc

100% agree. Some of those concepts are more complicated than that, but people who "believe" on those things usually don't understand the surreptitious meanings of some of those words, so in practicality, it's what you say.

The best example I can give you is learning to play an instrument for the sake of it, it requires hours and hours of practice and dedication, and for what, so you can play some song to yourself?

That's what happens to the average person who just randomly decides to learn an instrument. They don't join a band, they don't "make it", they don't play in an orchestra, they don't have a fanbase and generate income from it (like youtube musicians), they just play for no reason at all other than "it makes me feel happy"

I know for a fact you are going to say some nonsense like that - "well it makes them feel happy"

Good example. I don't understand those people either, but our nucleus accumbens makes us pursue anything that feels rewarding, it makes us go after euphoria. Yes, you anticipated it well, it makes them "happy" (like you eating animals body parts and secretions), plus it doesn't have to be for themselves, maybe they share it in certain circles and that's enough for them. Idc really, it's not what people like you or me want for ourselves. But that's us. Again, it's like you being "omnivore": you learned that diet AND it's more pleasurable, even if it is "objectively" worse for you. Because tell me, for example, what do you need the secretions of a cow meant to feed a calf for? Isn't that cultural/subjective? Because no mammal consumes dairy after certain age and the majority of people is intolerant to lactose. Also, it's going to worsen your health (has been proven scientifically over and over: acne, asthma, osteoporosis, cancer, etc.). Maybe you're hooked to casein which acts like a opioid agonist. Maybe you do it for sensory pleasure alone. Maybe you do it because everyone around you does it. Or maybe a combination of those. But there are no more reasons than that. Why do you do it then? Why don't you choose the best for you?

...maybe, to some extent, you are the same. Maybe you do it because you like it and that's it. It doesn't necessarily has to be dairy, any animal product applies for similar reasons.

Yeah, we are hunter/gatherers blah blah blah. I won't deny that, but you can't compare that diet with industrial farming, as the latter has a very different composition. I won't tell you the differences because It would take very long. And if we used to eat meat in the past... so what? We have discovered a better diet. Be "objective".

That's not an argument and that's literally my point about having a subjective mindset, because ANYONE CAN BE HAPPY DOING ANYTHING SO ONE BEING HAPPY ISN'T EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE MAKING A RATIONAL CHOICE

Serial killers enjoy killing people, pornstars enjoy doing porn, addicts enjoy using drugs, etc

Mere enjoyment/elation in doing an act does not validate the act as a "good" choice (and by "good" I mean logically sound, not the subjective "morally good" nonsense most people live by)

100% agree. I don't remember saying the opposite in the first place. As an utilitarian, I'd rather not damaging a sentient being unless necessary for my survival. I also don't want to do anything bad for the consecution of my goals... and I want to keep doing what I enjoy, as you do.



PS: Go vegan. It's the boring, but rational choice (of course you won't, you will keep eating animal body parts and secretions because you enjoy it teeheeeeeeee).
 
I'm investing half internationally (JinkoSolar (JKS) is giving me good returns only with dividends and I bought shitloads of, in its time, penny stocks) half locally (best one so far for me in Ibex 35 has been Acciona, (ACXIF) but COLVIN-19 is fuckin' errthing up a little bit). Great to find you are a financel.

How did you get into penny stocks, I keep hearing people saying its worthless so I never got into it, did you see a specific guide or course?

Where to start?

PS: Go vegan. It's the boring, but rational choice (of course you won't, you will keep eating animal body parts and secretions because you enjoy it teeheeeeeeee).

The vegan diet isn't a rational choice and it being healthy is a sham really, every vegan male I see would not even survive in a fight, very few are fit and strong, most look like twigs, the diet is based on mostly emotions (don't hurt the animals) rather than logic (most optimal diet)

The optimum human diet is omnivorism, as we are omnivores, but also, a carnivore diet is actually healthier than a vegan diet, so if I were going to go extremes and sacrifice taste for "ultimate body performance" I'd go carnivore

(check out videos by a youtuber called "Frank Tufano" to see what I'm talking about)

I understand the point you are trying to make here, you are trying to point out a contradiction lol, but it doesn't work, because you are forgetting that physical pleasure (as in your senses - taste, touch, etc) are also a benefit to you, especially psychologically, so your argument that you should just eat bad tasting food because it will extend your life is not a refutation of my logic

I want an extended enjoyable life, not an extended life period, and I'm sure that goes for most people, if being vegan made you immortal we'd all be vegan, but if I'm going to die anyways it makes much more sense to have a balance of pleasure (taste) and health than to go full health and still die
 
The vegan diet isn't a rational choice and it being healthy is a sham really, every vegan male I see would not even survive in a fight, very few are fit and strong, most look like twigs, the diet is based on mostly emotions (don't hurt the animals) rather than logic (most optimal diet)
Dude, did you read what I wrote? Forget about the animal suffering: THOUSANDS OF STUDIES discussing why it's the most optimal diet for health (done properly). At this point, you must be trolling me, bro...
 
THOUSANDS OF STUDIES discussing why it's the most optimal diet for health (done properly)

These studies are pretty much set up based on a false premise, because "done properly" based on what criteria?, most of the meat products we eat today are pumped full of chemicals and steriods, were not really eating healthy animals in their natural state, so no wonder someone who goes on a vegan diet will see an increase in health relative to their past diet of fast food and chemcial/toxin rich meat products

Its almost a strawman in a sense, because they compare the diet based on the worst of meat eating, to the best of plant eating. Its way easier to raise plants that provide optimal nutrition than animals, animals farmed aren't as healthy and don't provide the same nutrition as they do when in the wild, heck the colour of their fat and meat even looks different and is of a different quality based on their diet

Simple thing to ask you, you know before humans reached the neolithic period we were primarily hunters right?

We'd hunt and kill animals for their meat, crack open their bones and eat the marrow for nutritional value, etc

Are you saying the majority of humans were unhealthy during those times relative to your average vegan?

How many cholesterol based heart attacks do you think were happening on a natural meat based diet in those times?

All I can ask is that you watch this video where he talks about these very things:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlDiMPMhBk4


At this point, you must be trolling me, bro...

Hey, you're the one trolling, because you haven't told me shit about the penny stocks question I asked you :lul:

You think I really care about some diet over money, I can't believe you ignored that part, here's the thing, if you don't like what you see in that video and you don't think it makes sense, I concede the point, I don't really care about it tbh

Lets focus on more important things:
How did you get into penny stocks, I keep hearing people saying its worthless so I never got into it, did you see a specific guide or course?

Where to start?
 
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Pointlessly seeking out knowledge for the sake of it (knowledge for the sake of knowing something)
I disagree.
Why do you act like such an Animal? Why is everything about Survival/Money to you? Thank god my ancestors weren't like you.

That isn't an argument against anything I said, they didn't NEED to use DMT to think introspectively, they more likely than not just WANTED to try it, it was an experiment to them
But saying that they could have achieved the same experiences without DMT is also a big narcissist cope.
And how do you even know?


NOTHING, I'll still be poor, it won't help me get laid, it would give me financial advice, I'll just get to pat myself on the back for "being a reader" and consider myself "more enlightened"
Bro you act as if you're the poorest guy in the world.

What if you become rich one day. Then, what are you gonna do? Just fuck hookers? You need some solid copes in your life dude.

I know the book I posted is not worth reading to you but Pursuing Knowledge just for the sake of it has been a past time of humans for several thousand years. This is what drives humanity.

What if you fail in moneymaxing? Then what? I'm sure you must have given two thoughts about failure as well.
 
Why is everything about Survival/Money to you? Thank god my ancestors weren't like you.

1. Your ancestors weren't like me because they weren't born as incels in my era lol

2. You have no self awareness, we live in a survival/money era (especially if you are incel), go ahead and keep trying to operate under the mindset of your ancestors, that makes perfect sense (its like using a 100 year old map to navigate through a modern day city)

Bro you act as if you're the poorest guy in the world.

By that logic none of us are the horniest guy in the world right, the guy with the largest libido, so we should all stop complaining about and wanting sex right?

Poor is poor, I don't care if I'm the "poorest" I don't want to be poor period

You speak as if you "take comfort" in not being "the poorest" and that's good enough for you, that's fucking pathetic

What if you become rich one day. Then, what are you gonna do? Just fuck hookers? You need some solid copes in your life dude.

I always find responses like these disingenuous or stupid because this shit isn't rocket science

What would I do if I was rich............. IDK, how about SIMPLY MORE OF WHAT I'M DOING NOW + THINGS I ALWAYS WANTED TO DO BUT COULDN'T

I never get this ridiculous kind of argumentation as if people aren't aware of the worth of money and what they could do with it

"Money isn't everything bro, its not like there's much to do with it"

Here's a thought experiment for you, think of your current self with your current income/wealth, NOW COMPARE IT TO A HOMELESS STARVING VERSION OF YOURSELF

The difference in quality of life between you and your homeless self, is the difference in quality of life between your current self and your rich self (in fact the difference in this case is many times more that)

So it comes down to a simple question:
WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT MORE OF WHAT YOU HAVE NOW WITH MORE FREE TIME AND LESS WORK?

I know the book I posted is not worth reading to you but Pursuing Knowledge just for the sake of it has been a past time of humans for several thousand years. This is what drives humanity.

No, humans pursued knowledge for specific sakes, for their use in benefiting man kind, pursuing knowledge for the sake of it is just the modern day nonsense the average person does because we have a lot of free time

You thinking physcisits spending years studying a field are pursuing that field and working in it for the sake of just knowing shit?

Obviously no, they are doing so to add to the field, for the sake of advancing man kind

What if you fail in moneymaxing? Then what? I'm sure you must have given two thoughts about failure as well.

Death, I either succeed or I die, there is no in between for me. If I don't succeed in the next few years I'll probably go ER. To me there is no difference between living my life as a pleb (working for a living) and being dead, I'm not joking, the average person is basically the walking dead, they aren't even really humans, the people who live above us and spend all day enjoying leisure are the real humans, the rest of us are chattel

Normies get to have their distractions and other enjoyment through relationships, sex, socializing, etc, but as incels we get none of that shit so for me there is no coping, I'll succeed or I'll kill myself, I'm not spending decades living a life like this
 
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You thinking physcisits spending years studying a field are pursuing that field and working in it for the sake of just knowing shit?
Actually, YES.


Obviously no, they are doing so to add to the field, for the sake of advancing man kind
:feelskek: :feelskek:
You think an Algebraic Geometer cares about advancing mankind? With what? You think the abstract study of exponential Hodge Structures will advance humanity?(maybe in the next 200 years, who knows)

You know nothing about research man. People love to do theoritical stuff because they like doing it just for the sake of it.

The advancement of humanity part is just a big bonus that comes along with it.
By that logic none of us are the horniest guy in the world right, the guy with the largest libido, so we should all stop complaining about and wanting sex right?
I never said that dude. You call out others on Strawmanning and yet you're doing the same here.

You speak as if you "take comfort" in not being "the poorest" and that's good enough for you, that's fucking pathetic
Strawman 101 :feelsseriously::feelsseriously:


SIMPLY MORE OF WHAT I'M DOING NOW + THINGS I ALWAYS WANTED TO DO BUT COULDN'T
And what are those things that you always wanted to do? (Apart from sex ofcourse)


your rich self
Define "rich"?

What exactly is rich to you? To me it's financial security and enough money for my copes. What about you?

There isn't too much difference between my current self and my rich self. I'd still be spending most of my day studying if I were rich. The only bonus is Financial Security, freedom from academia and hookers.



Death, I either succeed or I die, there is no in between for me. If I don't succeed in the next few years I'll probably go ER. To me there is no difference between living my life as a pleb (working for a living) and being dead, I'm not joking, the average person is basically the walking dead, they aren't even really humans, the people who live above us and spend all day enjoying leisure are the real humans, the rest of us are chattel
Sad shit. I agree with you. Life isn't worth living with you aren't the best or top1%. :feelscry::feelsbadman:


Normies get to have their distractions and other enjoyment through relationships, sex, socializing, etc, but as incels we get none of that shit so for me there is no coping
You made a thread about how Normies life isn't much better than ours. You should practice what you preach lol :feelskek:

But seriously dude, hookers are cheap as fuck and you can always hang out with other ugly men.

You rarely talk about your looks and height here. If I remember correctly you once said that you are 4/10 and 5'7.

Have you ever faced bullying because of your looks? Because I believe even ugly people can make friends with other dudes. Most people are 4-6 anyways.

Or is it that you crave a Romantic companionship? :feelshmm::feelshaha:


I'll succeed or I'll kill myself, I'm not spending decades living a life like this
I hope you succeed in your moneymaxxig plans.
 
I never said that dude. You call out others on Strawmanning and yet you're doing the same here.

Strawman 101 :feelsseriously::feelsseriously:

I never said I was the poorest guy either, do you not know what an analogy is?
 
You said this:
I never said that dude. You call out others on Strawmanning and yet you're doing the same here.
After quoting this:
By that logic none of us are the horniest guy in the world right, the guy with the largest libido, so we should all stop complaining about and wanting sex right?

Go back and check


Also this isn't a strawman:
You speak as if you "take comfort" in not being "the poorest" and that's good enough for you, that's fucking pathetic

A strawman would be - "You definitely "take comfort" in not being "the poorest" and that's good enough for you, that's fucking pathetic"
 
I did shrooms once and felt agape for a while but it slowly wears off and a year later im no better off mentally. It was a very profound experience but I dont think it is a permenant replacement for lack of meaningful relationships.
 
I did shrooms once and felt agape for a while but it slowly wears off and a year later im no better off mentally. It was a very profound experience but I dont think it is a permenant replacement for lack of meaningful relationships.
It is not a permanent replacement in most caases indeed. I wouldn't call it a replacement to being with: sexlessness is its own thing and there's only one way to solving it, sadly: having sex. But you have to take into account that agapemaxxing (which I'm tempted to call joymaxxing or entheomaxxing instead) is not just doing the tryptamines, it's all the other things I mentioned in the "recipe". In fact, if you do all those things without the tryptamines, you are most probably going to feel better.

Agapemaxxing is not supposed to be a substitute, and I apologize if it looks like that in the OP. It's not something you take to numb your pain away and forget about the blackpill and that you are sexless/loveless. That's technically a cope. This is not a cope but a whitepill, a complement to the balckpilled reality that aims not to mask (like most copes) but, to a neurological level, perform actual healing for the shit you have been through like loss of grey matter in certain areas, loss of conectivity/neuroplasticity, increase in neuroinflammation, etc. A cope doesn't address that.

Making an analogy with RPGs, copes are like different kinds of armor with different stats and agapemaxxing is your support/white mage healing your HP: no matter how good your armor is, if you lose HP, eventually you have to recover. Else, you are going to die. Of course, you can try to complete the game without healing, specially if you are very strong, but it's going to be more difficult.

Anyways, a year of afterglow is not bad a all, buddyboyo. You can take them once a year if that's how it works for you. I take pharmachanga exactly like that, once/twice a year.
 
Sounds good except agape is not greater than eros that's cope
 
Why? Elab pls.
Ideally you should have both- I think that's how it may have been designed to work right in fact- but having agape means jackall nothing to chad after a good lay. It's that real, smooth confidence that lets you go without the tenders feelings toward the world or your fellow man if you must. It's like that rap song that says I don't give a fuck about men long as the bitches love me.

Agepe without Eros though...hell, i don't even know if that's possible without the shooms. And not everyone wants to eat shrooms. And some might even feel like that's a little cucked to love without having nature's love.
 
Ideally you should have both- I think that's how it may have been designed to work right in fact- but having agape means jackall nothing to chad after a good lay. It's that real, smooth confidence that lets you go without the tenders feelings toward the world or your fellow man if you must. It's like that rap song that says I don't give a fuck about men long as the bitches love me.

Agepe without Eros though...hell, i don't even know if that's possible without the shooms. And not everyone wants to eat shrooms. And some might even feel like that's a little cucked to love without having nature's love.
I agree with what you say and it would be definitely better to have eros as well, but you are focusing in the "lore" part. That's the least important part. I also say something in the lines of "this won't solve your inceldom, but it will make it more bearable". Focus in the science instead: we experience some mental (even physical) damage from being incels, and with this we do a fair amount of healing. Again: not going to solve the problem altogether, but it's waaay better than nothing (I had treatment resistant depression for 10 years and I don't have it anymore).

Also, you can be fine without the psychedelics: doing the other stuff I say really combats that the damage we endure.
 
Also, you can be fine without the psychedelics: doing the other stuff I say really combats that the damage we endure.
Cope! I've felt that love too but only when I was either eating acid or popping SSRIs aka playing with muh serotonin directly. Gut health and the rest is a placebo or a watered down substitute. Out here it's either get you some pussy or trip somewhat regularly for the rest of your life like a beta cluster headache sufferer. Diseased. Incel!
 
Cope! I've felt that love too but only when I was either eating acid or popping SSRIs aka playing with muh serotonin directly. Gut health and the rest is a placebo or a watered down substitute. Out here it's either get you some pussy or trip somewhat regularly for the rest of your life like a beta cluster headache sufferer. Diseased. Incel!
I said it's fine, not the same, lol. The thing is combining all the things I say (which some are taken from John Hopkins psilocybin protocols).
 
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I read it as "age gap maxxing", kek. Will read soon.
 
You drug dealers are really adapting
 
Free gardens! the fucking nonsensical war against sacramental plants is literally keeping humans from evolving.
Those in power think they have claim over our bodies (wagecucking), minds(legal propaganda/thought crime), property (property tax), consciousness (plant sacrament laws).... and now with the possibility of c oo rnoa vax manipulating our DNA, they even lay claim to our DNA most likely..............

Wtf humanity..... how much of a bitch are you going to let yourselves be?
 
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Free gardens! the fucking nonsensical war against sacramental plants is literally keeping humans from evolving.
Those in power think they have claim over our bodies (wagecucking), minds(legal propaganda/thought crime), property (property tax), consciousness (plant sacrament laws).... and now with the possibility of c oo rnoa vax manipulating our DNA, they even lay claim to our DNA most likely..............

Wtf humanity..... how much of a bitch are you going to let yourselves be?
Another consciousnesspilledcel :feelsYall:

I hope they legalize psilocybin soon and people start opening their eyes to what is really important already.
 
Another consciousnesspilledcel :feelsYall:

I hope they legalize psilocybin soon and people start opening their eyes to what is really important already.
Indeed bro :feelsYall: monkmaxxing/shamanmaxxing for over a decade now :feelsmage:


Me too, humanity couldn't need a wake up call more and from what I've learned words just won't cut it they need the direct experience.

Too bad we have to deal with stupid ass taboos and laws keeping the masses held down from true wisdom, and knowledge.
These laws are in place to keep people from truth of self which im sure you already know.

If one strives for truth, and lives for wisdom, and knowledge... enslaving ONE becomes IMPOSSIBLE.
 
Maybe I'll try sometime, bookmarked.
 
R u still in that reduced suffering state of mind?
How do I even get the materials?
 
R u still in that reduced suffering state of mind?
I still suffer somewhat (that's unavoidable for anyone, imo), but I'm not in despair as I used to. I used to not feel stimulated by nothing at all, videogames, porn, etc. weren't enjoyable anymore. Now I don't have all the time I would like have to do all the things I want to do :feelsLSD:

Obviously I have my ups and downs, it's impossible to be completely happy all the time. But man, this is infinitely better than being dead inside.
How do I even get the materials?
It depends on where you live. Most things are dietetic supplements, so you can probably find them in specialized shops.

For the psychedelic tryptamines... If you live in the US, you are kinda screwed, because you'd have to resort to drug dealers. If I were you, I wouldn't do that. Maybe you should consider flying to Amsterdam (for shrooms) or Peru (ayahuasca), so you get access to the substances and people that will take care of you during the trip.
 
Why do we suffer? We want intimacy with a member of the opposite sex, yet we are unable to do so, becoming a living version of the mith of Prometeus. Water is wet. But why do we want that intimacy? Because we are apes, mammals, who benefit from loving embraces, kisses, sense of belonging and a good fuck. Why is so? Because we release certain neurochemicals in our heads that makes us feel great about it. If we didn’t, the sensory pleasure of those activities would stop being pleasurable at all. Again, water is wet. With agapemaxxing, we emulate that neurochemical context without the need of a woman. In fact, it feels better.

Ancient Greeks differentiated 3 kinds of love:

  • Filos. It is the lowest kind of love. It is usually translated as passion for a subject, or the kind of love you establish in healthy relationships with relatives or friends. It’s a sense of belonging. Incels with no social circle can get filos here, at .co. But it’s not as fulfilling as eros.
  • Eros. This is what every incel pursues. It is often translated as romantic love, formed in pair bonds. An incel can feel it, but it is only truly satisfactory if the feeling is corresponded. It is more intense and fulfilling than filos, but less than agape. Also, sex is great.
  • Agape. Only a phew people experience this, like monks, ascetic volcels, etc. It can be translated into “greatest love towards life and existence”, "love towards God” or even “illumination” or “salvation". I can tell you by experience that not only it’s possible, but that it’s the greatest thing one can have. This is what absolutely everyone is looking for (even Chads and Stacies), but they (you) are not aware of it because they don’t know about its existence. In other words: you can’t miss what you haven’t experienced.

Ancient Greeks figured out some shortcuts to get to feel agape, and a lot of other cultures too, like Mayans, Aztecs, Mazatecs, ancient Egyptians, Celts, Siberian shamans and a massive etc. One of those shortcuts was the kykeon, in the case of Ancient Greeks. The kykeon was a drink made out of brewing the rye fungus Claviceps purpurea, and was only given to the VIPs of the time (it is said that Plato and Aristotle were offered it) by a cult called The Mysteries of Eleusis. That brew was used to induce “mystical experiences” on the guests, and they were allowed to do it only once in a lifetime. Some Christians are hypothesized to have had mystical experiences and epiphanies because of the rye bread they ate, that could have been contaminated with the fungus.

The kykeon contained LSA, which has psychedelic properties. From LSA, after some semi-synthetic alteration in the lab, LSD can be obtained. Think about hippies in the 60’s: what was one of the words they waved in their poorly crafted banners? “Love”. However, you won’t be taking LSD, this was just an example.

Now, do you imagine feeling good about the little things because you have recovered sensitivity to them? Feeling enthusiastic about a shitload of things and not being bothered about your unfulfilled sex desires? It happened once to most of us. I’m talking about childhood. Agapemaxxing is similar to that, but slightly better, because you won’t be crying over stupid reasons.

There is a way you can unlock such mental state of enthusiasm again (with its ups and downs, ofc, ngl), even considering our blackpilled condition. The “recipe” I’m going to show you won’t make you ascend (well, maybe some might do it, but I promise nothing), but will reduce the emotional burden of inceldom about 85%. This brought me so much peace of mind, that now I feel in the moral duty of sharing it. The problem is, although able to save your ass, this “recipe” is dangerous, complicated, requires time, and will probably get you into legal trouble, specially if you live in the U.S., so you might even have to travel (e.g. Amsterdam).

Disclaimer: even though this is an extremely effective way to ease your suffering, it is dangerous (there’s no death risk) and it requires you to take a Schedule I drug (only once to 3 times in your lifetime, so it’s not drugsmaxx). I don’t promote the use of legal or illegal psychoactive substances of any kind. I’m only posting to show you boyos the route to a treasure chest, nothing more. And I did it summing it up, so there’s a lot I’m not saying (this post would be gargantuan otherwise). You are responsible of anything that could go wrong. Don’t blindly follow what a random graycel told you at .co. Do your own research. You have been warned. Alternatively, you can wait for these substances to be legalized.

Now… Here comes the trick: agapemaxxing will grant you that state of bliss I wrote about by emulating the neurochemical context needed for it. The process is relatively long, and the more steps you skip, the higher the probability of things getting real bad. Every step works to make the “set” for the psychedelic trip and to prolong the effect of the afterglow (the agape). The recipe:

  1. Get bacteria. Specifically, Lactobacillus reuteri. It pumps up oxytocin (one of the hormones of love) in your brain through the vagus nerve. Some studies show it is used to treat autism and social anxiety, but it also feels great on mood. Do this for 2 weeks at least before the trip.
  2. Get enough sun exposure every single day for a month, at least. That will pump up your serotonin and nitric oxide (laugh gas) and will regulate you circadian rhythms (you need to rest well for this to work, too).
  3. Do exercise every day for at least 2 weeks. Maybe rest 1 day a week. Try HIIT, as it doesn’t take up much time.
  4. If you are on SSRI’s, stop 3 months prior, maybe even more. Consult your therapist about reversible MAOi - SSRI interaction: a serotoninergic syndrome could kill you, so your system needs to be totally clean of SSRIs.
  5. No weed, alcohol, caffeine and other drugs at least one month before the trip.
  6. Low mood/depression most of the times is due to neuroinflammation, so you are going to start incorporating antiinflamatory food to your diet (like raw garlic, fruit, legumes...), and reduce the intake of proinflammatory food, like saturated fat, refined sugars, red meat, etc. The ideal diet here would be a whole food plant based diet. The closer you get to that, the better. Do this for a week at least. Hard mode: additionally, try intermittent fasting.
  7. Take triptophan + magnesium at least during a week. This will give you energy and increased serotonin/melatonin levels, thus, better mood.
  8. Take L-theanine. It’s nootropic (neurotrofic) and anxiolytic. Take it for a week at least.
  9. Take CBD (no THC!) supplements for a week at least. It's antipsychotic and anxyolitic and favor the release of BDNF in the dentate gyrus of the hippocampus and synaptogenesis in the prefrontal cortex promoting neurogenesis, thus bettering your memory and mood.
  10. Try to have your place as tidy as possible for a week in advance (this is part of the setting from "set and setting", if you already know about psychedelics).
  11. You need, at least, a week of NoFap, as the prolactin released in orgasm will interfere with the afterglow. I can’t provide a specific study to prove my point, ngl, but from my particular experience, it makes a difference.
  12. The day before the trip, you have to follow a tyramine restriction diet and all the previous steps to prevent a psychotic break or getting axiety/PTSD.
  13. You have to get somehow magic mushrooms or DMT + a beta-carboline/harmala mix that work like MAOi (50% harmine + 50% harmaline is ok, but if it has tetrahidroharmine, even better). The trip will provide you an “afterglow” when the effect is over. This afterglow, if you have followed the other steps, will last very long (months to years). The afterglow, if correctly attained, will provide you the agape. Note that it can’t be another type of psychedelic like derivatives of the family of the lysergic acid (like LSD) nor the family of phenethylamines (like mescaline)… It has to be one of these two psychedelic tryptamines (don’t do 5-MeO-DMT even if it is a tryptamine, tho; it could kill you, specially if you mix it with MAOi).
  14. Do the trip at a safe place you know, without interruptions, and preferably with a sober sitter; better if he/she has experience. Chose the best music you can think of, preferably calm, like lounge/chillout/psychill. Inhale some essential oils with terpenes that have a calming effect (like lemon or lavenderessential oils). Inform yourself about the substance of your choice:
    1. Shrooms / Psilocybin. Easy to navigate, but can last up to 8 hours. This compound got the scientific community very hyped in the last years, and it’s already in phase III clinical trials for curing treatment resistant depression, as it can cure it in only 1 session, when done properly (brutal compared to the months/years of meds + therapy). Take 2-4 dried grams of shrooms chopping or processing them and let them be digested with lemon juice in a shot glass for at least 30 min before ingestion, a.k.a. lemontek. You will have to do the tyramine restriction diet because there are beta-carbolines in mushrooms.
    2. DMT (a.k.a. the spiritual molecule) + beta-carbolines. My favorite. Beta carbolines protect you from bad trips, promotes neurogenesis, reduces fear, euphorizes the trip, prolongs the afterglow… and DMT only lasts 10 - 30 min, so if you have a bad trip, it will end soon. Here you got all the info you need for doing DMT + beta-carbolines.

Agapemaxxing is not merely taking psychedelic tryptamines. That’s only half of the story. You have to follow most of the steps mentioned earlier.

What will happen when agapemaxxing:

  1. You will have slightly increased levels of dopamine, bettering your motivation and feelings of reward.
  2. You will have resentitized serotonin receptors, making you feel happier, more alive and a sense of gratitude towards what you got in life.
  3. You will have increased oxytocin, which will make you feel a background of euphoria.
  4. You will have resensitized phenethylamine receptors, which will make you feel more euphoric as well.

Gentlemen, this shit changed my life for good. I remember thinking “I’ve recovered my sensibility. I feel genuine joy. And everything looks so beautiful now: colors, shapes, textures… Everything. I don’t need anything anymore but the bare basics. This is bliss. This is peace of mind. This is what everybody is looking for. Everyone should see this”.

Boyos, this is the fucking Holy Grail, it will save your ass, it is the physical manifestation of the most massive whitepill you can ever take, which obliterates the cicle of suffering brought by our condition as incels and the blackpill. I DGAF anymore because I have agape, which is superior to eros. So...

Ascending = Obtaining Eros.

Taking the ultimate whitepill = Obtaining Agape.

Agape > Eros

Then…

Taking the ultimate whitepill (Agapemaxx) > Ascending.

Your natural reaction at this point should be something in the lines of “Better than ascending? Stop using your head trying to break through reinforced concrete, soymonkcel. Just GTFO”. Hear me out: I insist that ascending is absolute shit compared to this. Do you think being with a woman will solve our problems? How many normies out there live misarable lives and are in relationships? A good deal of them. You know divorce rates are crazy high nowadays. Some of those betabuxxers are trapped in their own lives. They just pretend they don’t.

Do you think it would be different for us? I personally think it would be worse. And it’s not even going to happen because it's over, gentlemen (if you say otherwise, you are not blackpilled enough).

Isn’t it better getting agape than nothing? The definitive whitepill (agapemaxxing) is freedom. Freedom from GAF about SMV/LMS. Freedom from GAF about what women think or say about us. Freedom from expecting anything at all from women (because it’s over). Freedom from GAF about people being sociopathic at us. Freedom and strength to endure and even have a good time.

The blackpill might be the truth… but it doesn't solve its own soul crushing consecuences. The whitepill solves them, it grants freedom and strength; it’s the perfect complement . Only by taking massive whitepills we will get to the next level where we don’t overindulge in self pity and a victim mentality.

I apologize in advance if something I wrote really rustled your jimmies.

I like you, boyos. Stay strong.

inb4 soymokcel is gay: I wish.


I discover your thread today. Very interesting post. I'm following the whitepill path, but I'm not into using drugs however. As you said, taking kykeon is a way to go faster to the agape state of mind, but I prefer the longer way. I'm not very good at cooking, so I'll not try using chemicals on myself :feelshaha:

It's unfortunate that many people here prefer to take comfort in a blackpill mourning misery, instead of thinking about a way to better their lives while still being conscious that the blackpill is real.

Our only way to ascend is to ascend spiritually. That's all we have, but it's enough to live much better than any foid or normie, who aren't even aware spiritual ascending exists.
 
I discover your thread today. Very interesting post.
Thanks for the feedback, man.
I'm following the whitepill path, but I'm not into using drugs however. As you said, taking kykeon is a way to go faster to the agape state of mind, but I prefer the longer way. I'm not very good at cooking, so I'll not try using chemicals on myself :feelshaha:
I don't think agape is just a matter of mindset: you can't make other learn about The Unspeakable relying on words.

But, still, your intentions are good; safety comes first :feelsokman: You don't have to cook, tho. You can go to a mushroom retreat in Amsterdam and they would watch over you.
It's unfortunate that many people here prefer to take comfort in a blackpill mourning misery, instead of thinking about a way to better their lives while still being conscious that the blackpill is real.
Exactly. At least now we know our efforts are tailored in the right direction.
Our only way to ascend is to ascend spiritually. That's all we have, but it's enough to live much better than any foid or normie, who aren't even aware spiritual ascending exists.
Well, some of them know about this tho. But overall, yeah, most of them are somewhat mindlessly following the script handled to them.
 
@Persianyoungcel @Cybersex is our hope @Transcended Trucel @Billowel
thoughts on Agapemaxxing?
 

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