[Advice] Why depression exists and you should address yours

[Fontaine]

Depression has a bad rap in "alternative" scenes, it's often seen as a fake illness concocted by (((Big Pharma))), or a spiritual state logically caused by atheism and degeneracy. After all, the reasoning may go, our ancestors lived just fine and had no such mental illnesses. That's what I used to believe, too. However after many years of depression, reading and thinking, I realized the reality was more complicated than I thought. For starters, attempts to fix my depression through action, political belief or religious belief worked only somewhat, and only for some symptoms. Being codependent on ideology to feel normal also has the drawback of being extremely vulnerable to ideological attacks.

Then, I realized mental illnesses were not often talked about in old literature, but did exist even in very pious men. You know all the alcoholics there were in the past? They were most likely depressed and attempting to feel better through ethanol, the problem was not as simple as "degeneracy".

Being demoralized over being physically ugly / incel is normal, however when it becomes a persistent, all-encompassing mood dysfunction (with symptoms like very low energy, very low capacity for effort, etc) then it's definitely depression. And it can be treated.

SSRIs and SNRIs have a bad rap but in truth it all depends on your genetic makeup. Psychiatric medicine is more an art than a science at this point, no drug works on everyone. There are also other, more ancient molecules. Finally there is now transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) that completely fixed my depression.

I would advise to avoid "therapists". Depression is a biological disease, not an ideological one.

I would also advise to treat your depression asap. If you're a NEET, or failing in college, that is a big warning that you may have depression. Don't make the same mistakes as me and don't lose as many years as me to this disease. There is no nobility in a downcast mood. It even makes you stupid due to reduced neuronal excitability.

 

[Henry de Montherlant]

It existed in literature but was not called "mental illness". Depressed people were not a marketing target for psy-bullshit professionals by the time. But you could guess through the lines that, obviously, characters depicted might be "mentally ills" to some extent, or just depressed.

It became a kind of trend with the development of the spleen as a topos, and through other movements such as Realism or Decadentism.

You can find the first literary apparition of a depressed NEET in Oblomov by Ivan Gontcharov (1859), where Oblomov is a Russian noble who spend all days doing "nothing". It seems boring but actually it's very funny. Btw "oblomovism" is a rare antonomasia to designate the state of people who stay in bed all day because they lost all appetite in life.

But depressed people were a thing even before that. For instance Don Quichotte by Cervantes is often depicted as a crazy funnny guy who is completely alienated. But people often forget that in rare moments of lucidity, he appears to be quite visionary, realistic and depressed. He would be considered as a lunatic by our psy-swindlers.

Those are well-known examples but I'm sure we could find other examples easily. The psy jargon didn't exist by those times so of course the "key words" they use are not written. Tbh I'm 100% sure depression is as old as humanity itself.

 

[Deleted member 11015]

You can't know if you have real depression unless you stop drinking alcohol and the (((frozen pizza))) from the supermarket which has chemicals in it that fucks your brain up. Once you do that and get to a lean bodyweight then you can talk about SSRIs.

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

problem is that people who arent depressed will claim they are depressed just to seek attention, and as this happens a lot, some people dont take actual depressed people seriously

You can't know if you have real depression unless you stop drinking alcohol and the (((frozen pizza))) from the supermarket which has chemicals in it that fucks your brain up. Once you do that and get to a lean bodyweight then you can talk about SSRIs.

meh

i tried that, i cut junk food and i stopped alcohol but i still felt miserable and sad. Yes cutting junk food and drugs can help some people, but for others it doesnt matter what they do they are still gonna be depressed

And to the point of anti - depressants, i am yet to be convinced of their ability to work, which is why i have never bothered to try them.

From what people who are on anti depressants have described their situation tbh most of the time it just sounds like a cope drug.

Id rather stay depressed than suffer side effects and delude my brain into fake happiness/ numbness.

 

[Deleted member 126]

Retarded normies always talk about depression like it's nothing. They hardly experience any sorrow in life so they don't know what it's like.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Depression has a bad rap in "alternative" scenes, it's often seen as a fake illness concocted by (((Big Pharma))), or a spiritual state logically caused by atheism and degeneracy. After all, the reasoning may go, our ancestors lived just fine and had no such mental illnesses. That's what I used to believe, too. However after many years of depression, reading and thinking, I realized the reality was more complicated than I thought. For starters, attempts to fix my depression through action, political belief or religious belief worked only somewhat, and only for some symptoms. Being codependent on ideology to feel normal also has the drawback of being extremely vulnerable to ideological attacks.

Then, I realized mental illnesses were not often talked about in old literature, but did exist even in very pious men. You know all the alcoholics there were in the past? They were most likely depressed and attempting to feel better through ethanol, the problem was not as simple as "degeneracy".

Being demoralized over being physically ugly / incel is normal, however when it becomes a persistent, all-encompassing mood dysfunction (with symptoms like very low energy, very low capacity for effort, etc) then it's definitely depression. And it can be treated.

SSRIs and SNRIs have a bad rap but in truth it all depends on your genetic makeup. Psychiatric medicine is more an art than a science at this point, no drug works on everyone. There are also other, more ancient molecules. Finally there is now transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) that completely fixed my depression.

I would advise to avoid "therapists". Depression is a biological disease, not an ideological one.

I would also advise to treat your depression asap. If you're a NEET, or failing in college, that is a big warning that you may have depression. Don't make the same mistakes as me and don't lose as many years as me to this disease. There is no nobility in a downcast mood. It even makes you stupid due to reduced neuronal excitability.

Agreed. Thanks for this.

 

[Fontaine]

Id rather stay depressed than suffer side effects and delude my brain into fake happiness/ numbness.

That's what I used to think too. Several years after, I regretted this decision. Depression is a fake friend. You want to stay "authentic", not interfere with your brain, but the reality is that artificial happiness is in fact a lot better than natural misery

The 21st century is giving us this unique opportunity of engineering ourselves for better performance, refusing it because "muh purity" is stupid.

 

[Juxtaposition6]

I'd go to a therapist to fix my social ineptitude/anxiety/shyness, i don't even feel as depressed as i used to be but i am more socially inept than ever, i need to have my mind be scurried through to find the blockchain that is keeping me from talking to people fluently, i'm okay with being quiet and not talkative but the moment i have difficulty with communication i am not okay with.

 

[Anglo-Saxon]

It existed in literature but was not called "mental illness". Depressed people were not a marketing target for psy-bullshit professionals by the time. But you could guess through the lines that, obviously, characters depicted might be "mentally ills" to some extent, or just depressed.

It became a kind of trend with the development of the spleen as a topos, and through other movements such as Realism or Decadentism.

You can find the first literary apparition of a depressed NEET in Oblomov by Ivan Gontcharov (1859), where Oblomov is a Russian noble who spend all days doing "nothing". It seems boring but actually it's very funny. Btw "oblomovism" is a rare antonomasia to designate the state of people who stay in bed all day because they lost all appetite in life.

But depressed people were a thing even before that. For instance Don Quichotte by Cervantes is often depicted as a crazy funnny guy who is completely alienated. But people often forget that in rare moments of lucidity, he appears to be quite visionary, realistic and depressed. He would be considered as a lunatic by our psy-swindlers.

Those are well-known examples but I'm sure we could find other examples easily. The psy jargon didn't exist by those times so of course the "key words" they use are not written. Tbh I'm 100% sure depression is as old as humanity itself.

Based and redpilled. Do you read a lot?

That's what I used to think too. Several years after, I regretted this decision. Depression is a fake friend. You want to stay "authentic", not interfere with your brain, but the reality is that artificial happiness is in fact a lot better than natural misery

The 21st century is giving us this unique opportunity of engineering ourselves for better performance, refusing it because "muh purity" is stupid.

I've never understood the priority of being authentic or original even (used to be a YouTuber, hence why the mentality seems similar to me). Why the fuck would you care? I'm a pure resultist; I'll take as many pills I need to beat my biology and surpass the rest. I thought the same with creating videos; I'll steal good ideas glossed over and profit over them. Authenticity can only lead to self respect that you can get in other ways... actually now that I think of this sentence, it's probably a personality flaw that causes this useless priority. Never had this flaw myself even though my mental profile is utterly subhuman (never altered it with pills either in case anyone asks).

 

[The End]

I've been depressed pretty much all my life. I've been on medication for close to two decades, and they help a bit. I tried transcranial magnetic stimulation, and it didn't help that much, unfortunately.

I'd do most anything to free myself of this unending existential despair, but I think it will only go away when I die. I wish I had the guts to kill myself. Well, one day it'll happen.

I read a book about Abraham Lincoln and his depression; at that time depression was called melancholy or hypochondriasis. Reading some of his letters, you can see he was depressed a great deal of the time. The author of the aforementioned book hypothesized that Lincoln's immense amount of inner pain was crucial to the development of his extreme empathy. Below is one quote from a letter Lincoln wrote.

I am now the most miserable man living. ​

If what I feel were equally distributed to the whole human family, there would not be one cheerful face on the earth. ​

Whether I shall ever be better I can not tell; I awfully forebode I shall not. ​

To remain as I am is impossible; I must die or be better, it appears to me.​

​

 

[Anger]

Normalfags are the reason why depression is look down upon these days because they romanticize it and make it look cool but it's fucking not, they will never be able to understand our pain and suffering let alone do something about it

 

[Gremlincel]

I just don't buy it, I'm sorry. Every ounce of my intuition screams when I read things like this, it screams something is wrong. Christ, I wish it was so easy to treat these ailments, as they say, but how can I believe anything? How can I trust anything related to mental health? Every second line on the topic, contradicts the other, every piece of evidence, every argument, every piece of reasoning, it is all so vague and ridiculous once I apply some thought to it.
I'm not dancing around, trying dozens upon dozens of random drugs that psychiatrists pull out of their ass, that even they admit will fail 90% of the time. Fuck that. Now you are telling me I have to, go and, have my brain physically altered by magnetic force?
The reasons I feel and function the way I do, cannot be changed. If I cannot overcome my 'depression', in spite of my deathly faults, so be it.
In that case I wasn't meant to survive, I wasn't meant to be happy. I will accept my place in the great below, as a pathetic, miserable wretch of a creature.
I don't advocate for giving up on life, I think everyone should try everything they can to be happy, first, but I believe, for many, it may just be over.
Who knows, maybe pills, and TMS (which I know little about) DO work for some people. But I am almost certain they would not for I. You could give me everything, all the money in the world, land, fame, friends, and still, still, all I would have to do is catch myself in the mirror when I'm showering, and I would be brought low into the mud. Surely, no matter the treatment, with this corpse I live in, I will never enjoy living.

 

[Fontaine]

@Gremlincel

TMS will definitely not change your life or beliefs radically. It merely makes things easier and more enjoyable in general. I'm the same cynic I was before, but now I actually have better confidence in me and my opinions.

 

[Gremlincel]

@Gremlincel

TMS will definitely not change your life or beliefs radically. It merely makes things easier and more enjoyable in general. I'm the same cynic I was before, but now I actually have better confidence in me and my opinions.

Perhaps I'll take it off the 'disregard totally and pretend it doesn't exist', list, after all.

 

[Paradigm]

depression is all I will ever know