Whenever I discuss lookism and inceldom with normies, in most cases they will try to gaslight me, and they will start repeating the usual bluepill rhetoric about how looks don’t matter and that everything comes down to personality and whatever. This tends to be the typical response. However, I’ve seen some normies and foids who have been more honest; what they say is that hypergamy is natural and that polygamy is just how natural selection works, and that incels should simply accept it. And my response to that is that I agree, polygamy and hypergamy are indeed natural phenomena observed in various animal species. However, there are multiple issues with this point that I wanted to address in this post.
The most obvious problem with this argument is that it is fallacious, because it relies on an appeal to nature. The appeal to nature fallacy assumes that if something is natural, it must inherently be good.
But in the case of humans this is clearly not true, as we live in a civilized society that depends on stability and order to function. Historically, polygamy was not common, especially in successful civilizations, due to the roughly 1:1 ratio of sexual maturity between the sexes. If one man had six women, five other men would be left without partners, that would ruin the group's stability. Early humans realized that men without access to women posed risks to the group and caused infighting which is why monogamy became the norm in most societies. And monogamy effectively kept the majority of men satisfied, it gave them a reason to contribute to society and help progress it.
Another point to consider is this: Hypergamy is natural... you know what else is natural? Rape, and it has been observed in multiple animals. So from a natural and biological standpoint, if someone cannot achieve "consensual" sex, they resort to fulfilling their biological imperative by any means necessary. If we argue that something being natural makes it acceptable, then by that logic, rape is natural and justified.
Informal Polygamy:
To finish off, I want to talk about the current state of hypergamy and polygamy in our modern western world, which is quite different from historical examples. For instance, while Islam permits polygyny, it also places restrictions and discourages it in some ways. There are some rules to it thus making it a more controlled practice compared to what we see today. I’m not saying it’s ideal, but it is better than the current situation.
The Qur'an (4:3):
Here, justice refers to treating all wives equally, including providing financial support and whatnot. This requirement makes polygyny in Islam a bit more challenging because it requires commitment and resources. In contrast, in today’s society, women are easily financially independent and there's no need for commitment, and hookup culture is rampant, so in our current times polygamy is not through marriages like in the past but through relationships and hookups.
This is far worse than historical polygamy because it lacks commitment and consequences and is also primarily based on looks. A chad can fuck multiple women, and satisfy their sexual needs without any long-term responsibility, and terms like FWB are an example of this kind of stuff. This is a direct result of hypergamy and it's essentially the modern equivalent of polygamy. This causes multiple problems; the women who get to fuck chad will not forget him, he will become their new benchmark and they will compare any man in the future to him. And, much like traditional polygamy this leads to a rise of men who are excluded.
ChatGPT TL;DR: When discussing lookism and inceldom, most people gaslight me, repeating that looks don't matter and personality is key. However, some acknowledge hypergamy and polygamy as natural, but this argument is flawed. It appeals to nature, which assumes natural things are always good. While polygamy may occur in nature, it destabilizes human societies, as historical monogamy kept most men satisfied and contributed to societal progress. Also, if we accept natural behavior as justifiable, we must accept harmful behaviors like rape as well. Modern society's form of polygamy, based on casual hookups and looks, is worse than historical practices. It lacks commitment, leading to dissatisfaction and exclusion for many men.
The most obvious problem with this argument is that it is fallacious, because it relies on an appeal to nature. The appeal to nature fallacy assumes that if something is natural, it must inherently be good.
But in the case of humans this is clearly not true, as we live in a civilized society that depends on stability and order to function. Historically, polygamy was not common, especially in successful civilizations, due to the roughly 1:1 ratio of sexual maturity between the sexes. If one man had six women, five other men would be left without partners, that would ruin the group's stability. Early humans realized that men without access to women posed risks to the group and caused infighting which is why monogamy became the norm in most societies. And monogamy effectively kept the majority of men satisfied, it gave them a reason to contribute to society and help progress it.
Another point to consider is this: Hypergamy is natural... you know what else is natural? Rape, and it has been observed in multiple animals. So from a natural and biological standpoint, if someone cannot achieve "consensual" sex, they resort to fulfilling their biological imperative by any means necessary. If we argue that something being natural makes it acceptable, then by that logic, rape is natural and justified.
Informal Polygamy:
To finish off, I want to talk about the current state of hypergamy and polygamy in our modern western world, which is quite different from historical examples. For instance, while Islam permits polygyny, it also places restrictions and discourages it in some ways. There are some rules to it thus making it a more controlled practice compared to what we see today. I’m not saying it’s ideal, but it is better than the current situation.
The Qur'an (4:3):
Here, justice refers to treating all wives equally, including providing financial support and whatnot. This requirement makes polygyny in Islam a bit more challenging because it requires commitment and resources. In contrast, in today’s society, women are easily financially independent and there's no need for commitment, and hookup culture is rampant, so in our current times polygamy is not through marriages like in the past but through relationships and hookups.
This is far worse than historical polygamy because it lacks commitment and consequences and is also primarily based on looks. A chad can fuck multiple women, and satisfy their sexual needs without any long-term responsibility, and terms like FWB are an example of this kind of stuff. This is a direct result of hypergamy and it's essentially the modern equivalent of polygamy. This causes multiple problems; the women who get to fuck chad will not forget him, he will become their new benchmark and they will compare any man in the future to him. And, much like traditional polygamy this leads to a rise of men who are excluded.
ChatGPT TL;DR: When discussing lookism and inceldom, most people gaslight me, repeating that looks don't matter and personality is key. However, some acknowledge hypergamy and polygamy as natural, but this argument is flawed. It appeals to nature, which assumes natural things are always good. While polygamy may occur in nature, it destabilizes human societies, as historical monogamy kept most men satisfied and contributed to societal progress. Also, if we accept natural behavior as justifiable, we must accept harmful behaviors like rape as well. Modern society's form of polygamy, based on casual hookups and looks, is worse than historical practices. It lacks commitment, leading to dissatisfaction and exclusion for many men.
