Story A socialist friend of mine says its racist to exclude non white people from your social group

[black_depresso]

Im not a socialist, im just friendly with a lot of random people off the internet and this guy went to my university, we met up a few times to chat and somehow became friends despite being opposite politically. He's nice, just a bit confusing sometimes with his level of what seems like crazy mental gymnastics lol

Today we were discussing freedom of association. He says if white people wanna hang out with other white people and not black people, its immoral, and they're racist for excluding black people because of the colour of their skin

He says having a preference for hanging out with your own race in general, means you think other races are inferior

He also says having a preference for your own race directly implies you hate other races



I was doing a heckin big confuse. All I was hearing was completed disconnected trains of thought

"If you like tomatoes, that automatically means you hate jews"

"If you exclusively use metal cutlery in your home, that implies you are ageist against old people"


like wtf lol


He also gave the example of three dogs meeting up with one another in the park. They didnt know each other previously. Two of the dogs are brown, and one is yellow.

He says it is fundamentally immoral for the two brown dogs to exclude the yellow one from the group, and the brown ones are being discriminatory

Im like

1. Freedom of association. Yellow dog's feelings are not the responsibility of the brown dogs. Yellow dog is not entitled to brown dog's attention. Yellow dog can go find other yellow dogs to hang out with.

2. Yellow is not a nice colour. Reminds me of piss euch. Chocolate brown is a nicer colour. I prefer chocolate brown labradors for example.

 

[Deleted member 18515]

Beat up You friend
Aint nothin to it
Gangster rap made You do it

 

[ItsAllOverButTheCry]

Having a preference for your family and loved ones means you indirectly hate other people.
Having a preference for rap music means you indirectly hate other music.
Having a preference for soy means you indirectly hate other protein sources.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

universities brainwashing people as usual

 

[tooth monster]

people like that are fucking retarded, avoid them at all costs

 

[Deleted member 10531]

Having a preference for your family and loved ones means you indirectly hate other people.
Having a preference for rap music means you indirectly hate other music.
Having a preference for soy means you indirectly hate other protein sources.

>Soy
>Protein source

 

[Deleted member 19079]

real reason why people of different races dont interact is the fear of being mogged

 

[PPEcel]

It's racist if you're excluding people because and only because of their skin color.

If you hang out with people who happen to be of similar race, nationality, or socioeconomic status because your cultural interests, hobbies, and activities are more aligned, that's just normal.

 

[Legionarivs]

He's not a real socialist, he's a libtard who pretends to be socialist.

 

[Deleted member 20056]

What if a Stacey said she isn't unattracted to incels, but she just prefers Chad?

 

[BOB]

Does that include to white foids not sleeping with ethnics?

 

[The Abyss]

So this guy, does he have friends from every major ethnicity? Isn't he culturally appropriating stuff if he goes to a ghetto block party?

The guy is a fucking idiot, ppl stick with what they feel comfortable around, sure you can chill with other ethnicities but that shit is a 2 way street & if one party ain't feeling it then tough shit, but hey by his logic let's force everyone to be around one another regardless of if they want to or not so we're not racist, it's working wonders for the mental sanity & crime rates of Europe lol.

Should be obvious but these modern commie libtards from the suburbs don't seem to understand that diversity is our segregation, not integration.

 

[Salustio]

Every socialist is like him. Now you know all of them.

 

[Deleted member 20056]

What if a Stacey said she isn't unattracted to incels, but she just prefers Chad?

No answer. Secret racistcels BTFO.

 

[Deleted member 14866]

if its solely for their race and nothing else, it's racist by definition

 

[black_depresso]

He believes you can be a racist without knowing about it.

He didn’t mean accidentally making a culturally insensitive comment that might be interpreted as racist

He means literally you’re a racist but you just aren’t aware of it

 

[Deleted member 17883]

is your friend white?

 

[black_depresso]

I made the argument that In the context of social liberty, you have the freedom to associate with whoever you want, and the freedom to avoid whoever you want, without consequences. That’s why it’s called FREEDOM of association.

If you prefer white people to black people as an employer, THATS when you’ve got a problem of racism, cos that’s no longer your personal liberty of preference, that’s discriminating against blacks in the economy of civilisation
I made the argument that In the context of social liberty, you have the freedom to associate with whoever you want, and the freedom to avoid whoever you want, without consequences. That’s why it’s called FREEDOM of association.

If you prefer white people to black people as an employer, THATS when you’ve got a problem of racism, cos that’s no longer your personal liberty of preference, that’s discriminating against blacks in the economy of civilisation

is your friend white?

Ya pure white like me

It feels like he accuses white prople of a lot of things and kinda hates his own race lol. Idk that’s the vibe I’m getting.

 

[Deleted member 20056]

I made the argument that In the context of social liberty, you have the freedom to associate with whoever you want, and the freedom to avoid whoever you want, without consequences. That’s why it’s called FREEDOM of association.

If you prefer white people to black people as an employer, THATS when you’ve got a problem of racism, cos that’s no longer your personal liberty of preference, that’s discriminating against blacks in the economy of civilisation
I made the argument that In the context of social liberty, you have the freedom to associate with whoever you want, and the freedom to avoid whoever you want, without consequences. That’s why it’s called FREEDOM of association.

If you prefer white people to black people as an employer, THATS when you’ve got a problem of racism, cos that’s no longer your personal liberty of preference, that’s discriminating against blacks in the economy of civilisation

Ya pure white like me

It feels like he accuses white prople of a lot of things and kinda hates his own race lol. Idk that’s the vibe I’m getting.

Nobody, not even your socialist friend, said you cannot freely associate with whoever you want. Your motives are being questioned, not your ability to act.

 

[Cuyen]

universities brainwashing people as usual

 

[Deleted member 18214]

This line of thinking resonates with me. No one ever wanted to be my friend or me be their groups because of how ugly I was. This made me feel very alone. Was it a bad thing? in my opinion yes. But that's just the way things are, I am sure if I was in their position I would do the same.

 

[black_depresso]

Nobody, not even your socialist friend, said you cannot freely associate with whoever you want. Your motives are being questioned, not your ability to act.

Not sure what you’re talking about ngl

What are you referencing? O_o

 

[Deleted member 20056]

Not sure what you’re talking about ngl

What are you referencing? O_o

The argument that you made to your friend was "I can spend time with whoever I want socially because I have freedom." His point was that it's suspicious that you exclude black people. It's your motivations to choose the choices that you choose that your friend takes issue with. Saying "I have the right to do what I want in this context because I am a free man" doesn't mean what you want to do isn't going to be motivated by racism.

 

[Deleted member 20195]

If your motive for not hanging out with blacks is because you have a preconceived notion of what black people are like or you dislike black skin he's got a point. If it's because you know the black individuals and don't like their vibe then its not really racist. More info needed.

 

[ThouShallObeyKing]

i wonder how i feel towards other races


i hate all white people as a white person. i was born in white countyr and everyone either used or bullied or betrayed or insulted me.


dis is total kanker.


i interacted with other races abroad and even made friends but in the end i dont know whats the difference

 

[needsolution]

universities brainwashing people as usual

 

[black_depresso]

The argument that you made to your friend was "I can spend time with whoever I want socially because I have freedom." His point was that it's suspicious that you exclude black people. It's your motivations to choose the choices that you choose that your friend takes issue with. Saying "I have the right to do what I want in this context because I am a free man" doesn't mean what you want to do isn't going to be motivated by racism.

In freedom of association, racism is not relevant or applicable. Some people can harbour racial hatred towards others, but in the general concept of freedom of association, you are not guilty of racism because it’s your right to FOA

His point wasn’t “it’s suspicious you exclude black people” he LITERALLY said white people who don’t interact with black people are being racist, and white people who have a social preference for other white people (which is absolutely okay and natural might I add) implicitly hate black people. Like, no mention of the fact I may not be in a mixed neighbourhood therefore literally have no contact with black people, let alone blacks my age who may want to be friends

That’s utter garbage lmao

I don’t exclude black people from my life, I just don’t make a special effort to go find black people, because my regular group is white people

IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER does this mean I hate black people or am remotely racist. If I met a cool black guy you bet your ass I’d be best pals with him. I have no social obligation to anyone, and it is biologically natural for me to want to be around people of my own race and culture


If you disagree you’re an anti japhite

 

[Deleted member 20056]

In freedom of association, racism is not relevant or applicable. Some people can harbour racial hatred towards others, but in the general concept of freedom of association, you are not guilty of racism because it’s your right to FOA

Americans have scrambled eggs for brains when "rights" are mentioned. Holy shit.

 

[black_depresso]

Americans have scrambled eggs for brains when "rights" are mentioned. Holy shit.

Okay but that doesn’t change the fact I’m right lmao read my updated text

 

[Hentai-Connoisseur]

humans always made groups. there is not a group thats 100% inclusive of everyone.

Having a preference for your family and loved ones means you indirectly hate other people.
Having a preference for rap music means you indirectly hate other music.

also humans most of the time hate whats too different from them bc of them not understanding it. its foreign to them.
If you dont understand something and its unknown to you it has a higher risk of being a threat bc you dont know which, how or how much.
its like a survival inctinct. this also includes groups that associate with something we dont like.
this happens on a subconsciouss level most of the time in some form or another like lookism, racism not liking a group of people that talk about how much they like metal and you hate metal and if you interact than with some of them, chances are higher that you will be more harsh on them. We formed and form groups bc it helped and still helps us survive. But there has to be a common ground for a group to work. If the members of a group are so different that they are complete opposites and are simply not compatible, the group wont work. also nature loves selection and letting her creations form groups and the stronger ones kill the weaker ones fe they "do all the work for her" if you can follow my train of thought here. I cant stand guys like your friend. they are retards. they act like moral apostels. In german I ironacilly and mockingly also call them "gutmenschen". they are like I dont know overdosed on the bluepill or some shit. They live in their simple fantasy world with their idealistic unrealsitic views completely ignoring biology and everything related to it. they are unable to see and accept harsh facts even if faced with facts bc they are retarded and bc it disproves the things they want to believe. your friend spouts all this shit while excluding for "superficial" reasons subconsciously other people all the time. because guess what. humans just suck.
But if they want to change the world and make it a better place than they should learn and accept how things operate first regardless of if you like it or not bc you might find out that this world is unfair and cruel oh what a uncomftorble thought isnt it and after that you might change some things if you put the effort in, First you have to learn the rules of this world , than after you understand how shit works you might change a thing or two. but if you skip the first part, I think it always showed that it will not work.
Also tell your friend to suck dick or something if his explanation that something is "bad" is bc its "immoral". morality is for the most part to my knowledge a manmade thing and there is no objective morality. people change their morals often according to what happened to them and different cultures to this day have different sets of morals. (or tell him what I just wrote, that would praobably be even better)

 

[Deleted member 20056]

Okay but that doesn’t change the fact I’m right lmao read my updated text

In your elaborations the stance of the guy has become more rigid and questionable than in the OP, but in the OP you did say:

"He says if white people wanna hang out with other white people and not black people, its immoral, and they're racist for excluding black people because of the colour of their skin."

This doesn't sound as though he's saying that if you don't go out of your way to make friends with black people you're a racist, it sounds like when you're deciding on who you want to get to know you have an automatic preference for white people and you exclude black people. It might've been clearer if you didn't try to argue against what he was saying with brainlet "it's my RIGHT" Americanisms.

 

[CopeToNotRope]

universities brainwashing people as usual

 

[Guest2]

It's racist in the same way in which females are lookist

 

[black_depresso]

humans always made groups. there is not a group thats 100% inclusive of everyone.

also humans most of the time hate whats too different from them bc of them not understanding it. its foreign to them.
If you dont understand something and its unknown to you it has a higher risk of being a threat bc you dont know which, how or how much.
its like a survival inctinct. this also includes groups that associate with something we dont like.
this happens on a subconsciouss level most of the time in some form or another like lookism, racism not liking a group of people that talk about how much they like metal and you hate metal and if you interact than with some of them, chances are higher that you will be more harsh on them. We formed and form groups bc it helped and still helps us survive. But there has to be a common ground for a group to work. If the members of a group are so different that they are complete opposites and are simply not compatible, the group wont work. also nature loves selection and letting her creations form groups and the stronger ones kill the weaker ones fe they "do all the work for her" if you can follow my train of thought here. I cant stand guys like your friend. they are retards. they act like moral apostels. In german I ironacilly and mockingly also call them "gutmenschen". they are like I dont know overdosed on the bluepill or some shit. They live in their simple fantasy world with their idealistic unrealsitic views completely ignoring biology and everything related to it. they are unable to see and accept harsh facts even if faced with facts bc they are retarded and bc it disproves the things they want to believe. your friend spouts all this shit while excluding for "superficial" reasons subconsciously other people all the time. because guess what. humans just suck.
But if they want to change the world and make it a better place than they should learn and accept how things operate first regardless of if you like it or not bc you might find out that this world is unfair and cruel oh what a uncomftorble thought isnt it and after that you might change some things if you put the effort in, First you have to learn the rules of this world , than after you understand how shit works you might change a thing or two. but if you skip the first part, I think it always showed that it will not work.
Also tell your friend to suck dick or something if his explanation that something is "bad" is bc its "immoral". morality is for the most part to my knowledge a manmade thing and there is no objective morality. people change their morals often according to what happened to them and different cultures to this day have different sets of morals. (or tell him what I just wrote, that would praobably be even better)

I mean who knows for whatever reason I feel like he might even be reading this

In your elaborations the stance of the guy has become more rigid and questionable than in the OP, but in the OP you did say:

"He says if white people wanna hang out with other white people and not black people, its immoral, and they're racist for excluding black people because of the colour of their skin."

This doesn't sound as though he's saying that if you don't go out of your way to make friends with black people you're a racist, it sounds like when you're deciding on who you want to get to know you have an automatic preference for white people and you exclude black people. It might've been clearer if you didn't try to argue against what he was saying with brainlet "it's my RIGHT" Americanisms.

youre talking nonsense lol but ok

 

[FlamingCel]

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[Hentai-Connoisseur]

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[Ticcel]

Well, I believe it’s racist for foids to have a racial preference for sexual partners so by extension I think it’s racist to prefer to socialize within your own race.

 

[Deleted member 19756]

The left has created the racist boogeyman. You hang out with who you like regardless of race. I hate these faggot cocksuckers so much.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

Im not a socialist, im just friendly with a lot of random people off the internet and this guy went to my university, we met up a few times to chat and somehow became friends despite being opposite politically. He's nice, just a bit confusing sometimes with his level of what seems like crazy mental gymnastics lol

Today we were discussing freedom of association. He says if white people wanna hang out with other white people and not black people, its immoral, and they're racist for excluding black people because of the colour of their skin

He says having a preference for hanging out with your own race in general, means you think other races are inferior

He also says having a preference for your own race directly implies you hate other races



I was doing a heckin big confuse. All I was hearing was completed disconnected trains of thought

"If you like tomatoes, that automatically means you hate jews"

"If you exclusively use metal cutlery in your home, that implies you are ageist against old people"


like wtf lol


He also gave the example of three dogs meeting up with one another in the park. They didnt know each other previously. Two of the dogs are brown, and one is yellow.

He says it is fundamentally immoral for the two brown dogs to exclude the yellow one from the group, and the brown ones are being discriminatory

Im like

1. Freedom of association. Yellow dog's feelings are not the responsibility of the brown dogs. Yellow dog is not entitled to brown dog's attention. Yellow dog can go find other yellow dogs to hang out with.

2. Yellow is not a nice colour. Reminds me of piss euch. Chocolate brown is a nicer colour. I prefer chocolate brown labradors for example.

You should ask why racism and prefering one's own race is morally wrong, objectively. I have yet to meet a leftist who could argue this without falling back to christian ethics.

 

[zangano1]

Socialist means cuck nowdays. Most leftists take black cock in the ass