Discussion A question for former Redpillers

[micropenis29]

I was never Redpilled. I went straight from the Bluepill to the Blackpill (thank god).

Does anyone know what the current dogma is among Redpillers regarding female nature? I'm way too lazy to read Rollo Tomassi's "The Rational Male", which seems to be the Redpill Bible, and also appears to be roughly as long as the Christian Bible.

Judging by the content of his tweets, I can tell he recommends men not to marry and sympathizes with MGTOW, but he does still seem to think that it can be worthwhile for sub-Chads to pursue women. How do he and other Redpillers reconcile this with female hypergamy, which they also seem to believe in?

Do Redpillers believe that women will not run off to Chad as long as their boyfriends/husbands continually improve their status or something?

I'm trying to understand.

 

[your personality]

I was never Redpilled. I went straight from the Bluepill to the Blackpill (thank god).

Does anyone know what the current dogma is among Redpillers regarding female nature? I'm way too lazy to read Rollo Tomassi's "The Rational Male", which seems to be the Redpill Bible, and also appears to be roughly as long as the Christian Bible.

Judging by the content of his tweets, I can tell he recommends men not to marry, but he does still seem to think that it's worthwhile for sub-Chads to pursue women. How do he and other Redpillers reconcile this with female hypergamy, which they also seem to believe in?

Do Redpillers believe that women will not run off to Chad as long as their boyfriends/husbands continually improve their status or something?

I'm trying to understand.

The redpillers that aren't MRAs or mgtows don't believe that boyfriends/husbands that don't continually improve their status guarantees their women will not run off to Chad. But they do think that this shouldn't stop men from self improving and being on their A game constantly and pursuing women. And they believe like the rest of society does that if a woman cheats on you and leaves you it is your fault because you weren't man enough and you need to lift and get to the stage where you can easily attract women.

 

[micropenis29]

The redpillers that aren't MRAs or mgtows don't believe that boyfriends/husbands that don't continually improve their status guarantees their women will not run off to Chad. But they do think that this shouldn't stop men from self improving and being on their A game constantly and pursuing women. And they believe like the rest of society does that if a woman cheats on you and leaves you it is your fault because you weren't man enough and you need to lift and get to the stage where you can easily attract women.

I'm assuming you meant that first sentence to say "do continually improve their status..."

So basically they believe that it's alpha-ness, rather than status, that prevents a woman from running off to Chad? Is that correct?

 

[your personality]

I'm assuming you meant that first sentence to say "do continually improve their status..."

So basically they believe that it's alpha-ness, rather than status, that prevents a woman from running off to Chad? Is that correct?

I get mixed up with all the don'ts and nots.
I meant to say that they don't think or say that men constantly improving their status is a guarantee that a woman won't cheat.
They believe that it is alpha-ness, status and looks that prevents a woman from running off to Chad but even she does you should always be hitting up other women and not getting attached. Just basically make yourself into a player.
They say things on r/theredpill like "Just go fuck 10 other women" when guys there ask about how to get over their oneitis or ex gf and then claim they didn't mean it literally but that you still need to "get gud".
I think a lot of them are trolls tbh

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

I was never Redpilled. I went straight from the Bluepill to the Blackpill (thank god).

Does anyone know what the current dogma is among Redpillers regarding female nature? I'm way too lazy to read Rollo Tomassi's "The Rational Male", which seems to be the Redpill Bible, and also appears to be roughly as long as the Christian Bible.

Judging by the content of his tweets, I can tell he recommends men not to marry and sympathizes with MGTOW, but he does still seem to think that it can be worthwhile for sub-Chads to pursue women. How do he and other Redpillers reconcile this with female hypergamy, which they also seem to believe in?

Do Redpillers believe that women will not run off to Chad as long as their boyfriends/husbands continually improve their status or something?

I'm trying to understand.

Technically MGTOW doesn't necassarily have to be redpilled. Also, redpill from my understanding means LMS. PUA is essentially making yourself look higher status.

 

[micropenis29]

I get mixed up with all the don'ts and nots.
I meant to say that they don't think or say that men constantly improving their status is a guarantee that a woman won't cheat.
They believe that it is alpha-ness, status and looks that prevents a woman from running off to Chad but even she does you should always be hitting up other women and not getting attached. Just basically make yourself into a player.

Got it. Now I understand. Thanks.

They say things on r/theredpill like "Just go fuck 10 other women" when guys there ask about how to get over their oneitis or ex gf and then claim they didn't mean it literally but that you still need to "get gud".
I think a lot of them are trolls tbh

This is where they go way, way off the rails imo. What's the point of even committing time and energy to a relationship if you're just going to be like, "Oh well, she left me for Chad! Hooray, off to a different woman now! And she'll eventually leave me for Chad, too! Yippeeeee!"

It's just irreconcilable to me. You either think women are more than just sex objects--in which case you should expect them to be loyal to you like a normally functioning human being--or you think they are just sex objects, in which case it makes no sense to do anything than pure pumping and dumping (no girlfriends, no wives, no LTR, etc.)

 

[your personality]

This is where they go way, way off the rails imo. What's the point of even committing time and energy to a relationship if you're just going to be like, "Oh well, she left me for Chad! Hooray, off to a different woman now! And she'll eventually leave me for Chad, too! Yippeeeee!"

Those redpillers buy into the idea that women try to proliferate about men (when really what they mean is chadlites and chads) that men can also easily improve themselves and get into a relationship if they just try.

They think anyone who doesn't meet this standard is naturally bad at it and needs to STFU or a beta that needs to life and work on his "game".

It's just irreconcilable to me. You either think women are more than just sex objects--in which case you should expect them to be loyal to you like a normally functioning human being--or you think they are just sex objects, in which case it makes no sense to do anything than pure pumping and dumping (no girlfriends, no wives, no LTR, etc.)

Now things like having no girlfriends, wives or LTR is considered "beta" on r/theredpill.
They think of themselves as slayers that can get a slut to commit and only be their slut and that a woman is only as bad as a man allows her to be. They think men still have all the bargaining power if they exercise it when that only applies to men that are chads. And even then in this world, not always even for chads.

 

[micropenis29]

Technically MGTOW doesn't necassarily have to be redpilled. Also, redpill from my understanding means LMS. PUA is essentially making yourself look higher status.

Oh okay. So there are MGTOW guys that still believe in winning over a Stacy's heart with just their personality, or whatever?

Those redpillers buy into the idea that women try to proliferate about men (when really what they mean is chadlites and chads) that men can also easily improve themselves and get into a relationship if they just try.

They think anyone who doesn't meet this standard is naturally bad at it and needs to STFU or a beta that needs to life and work on his "game".

Yeah, I've noticed they pretty much blame everything that goes wrong on being too beta, not lifting enough, or having better "game" (which I assume to just mean "social skills").

On Twitter, they seem to really, REALLY hate the heaviness of the Blackpill any time I bring it up.

Now things like having no girlfriends, wives or LTR is considered "beta" on r/theredpill.
They think of themselves as slayers that can get a slut to commit and only be their slut and that a woman is only as bad as a man allows her to be. They think men still have all the bargaining power if they exercise it when that only applies to men that are chads. And even then in this world, not always even for chads.

Sad. These guys seem like they're just begging for their hearts to be ripped out and trampled on. Many of them have wives that they absolutely adore. Not gonna end well.

 

[Over_this_Life]

ill try to chime in

How do he and other Redpillers reconcile this with female hypergamy, which they also seem to believe in?

I think a lot of redpillers believe in the concept of “shes not yours, its just your turn. It is understood that foids will eventually cheat on you because they get bored with men that they dont find to be challenging. This is why foids go after dark triad bad boys who beat them; those men pose a challenge to foids and they are in some way “exciting” in ways that Jermey the taco bell shift manager isn’t. So redpillers encourage self growth to become a high value male, usually around 30, so foids are more inclined to stay around.

Do Redpillers believe that women will not run off to Chad as long as their boyfriends/husbands continually improve their status or something?

I think redpillers understand that foids by nature will try to run off with somebody else if the guy they are with is beta, becomes beta, or if he in some way loses status or becomes boring. I cannot overstate the wallcope that is prevalent in redpill ideology. Foids hit a wall around 30-40 and lose smv whereas men in the same age group 30-40 rapidly gain smv. So redpilled dudes try to improve themselves financially or hit the gym to become high value so when a foid does leave them, they have more waiting. Also some redpillers preach to people that they can be alpha by learning it and that alone will attract foids. I don’t believe that personally but i think they are just saying guys shouldnt be doormats to their gfs and wives

 

[FinnCel]

A lot of Redpillers lean towards the blackpill more and more

 

[micropenis29]

ill try to chime in

I think a lot of redpillers believe in the concept of “shes not yours, its just your turn. It is understood that foids will eventually cheat on you because they get bored with men that they dont find to be challenging. This is why foids go after dark triad bad boys who beat them; those men pose a challenge to foids and they are in some way “exciting” in ways that Jermey the taco bell shift manager isn’t. So redpillers encourage self growth to become a high value male, usually around 30, so foids are more inclined to stay around.

Jeremy the taco bell shift manager is on suicide watch right now if he's one of the bluepillers reading this.

I think redpillers understand that foids by nature will try to run off with somebody else if the guy they are with is beta, becomes beta, or if he in some way loses status or becomes boring. I cannot overstate the wallcope that is prevalent in redpill ideology. Foids hit a wall around 30-40 and lose smv whereas men in the same age group 30-40 rapidly gain smv. So redpilled dudes try to improve themselves financially or hit the gym to become high value so when a foid does leave them, they have more waiting. Also some redpillers preach to people that they can be alpha by learning it and that alone will attract foids. I don’t believe that personally but i think they are just saying guys shouldnt be doormats to their gfs and wives

Okay that makes sense, thanks.

Redpill all just sounds like a MASSIVE cope to be perfectly honest. And frankly, even if I believed in it, I wouldn't want to live in a redpilled world. It sounds awful. Every man constantly trying to out-alpha other men. Every man being ultra paranoid all the time about his social status and his wife's level of respect for him.

Redpill seems like it takes the worst of both worlds: It replaces the love/compassion/romanticism of the Bluepilled fantasy with alpha-ness/cold-heartedness/detachment while also replacing the natural order of the Blackpilled world (Chad always wins) with this chaotic "everyone fucks everyone else's wife eventually" sort of thing.

 

[your personality]

Yeah, I've noticed they pretty much blame everything that goes wrong on being too beta, not lifting enough, or having better "game" (which I assume to just mean "social skills").

On Twitter, they seem to really, REALLY hate the heaviness of the Blackpill any time I bring it up.

A lot of them are trying to market this kind of redpill lifestyle to earn a living and the rest are deluded normies that acknowledge men don't have the upper hand over women if they aren't chad but think it won't happen to them and that the bad experiences men go through with women only happen to losers.

Sad. These guys seem like they're just begging for their hearts to be ripped out and trampled on. Many of them have wives that they absolutely adore. Not gonna end well.

When they encourage guys not to give up with women and mock them as sore "beta" losers when they give up on pursuing women they are setting up those guys that wisely assessed their odds (but had second doubts) for a lot of pain tbh

Redpill all just sounds like a MASSIVE cope to be perfectly honest. And frankly, even if I believed in it, I wouldn't want to live in a redpilled world. It sounds awful. Every man constantly trying to out-alpha other men. Every man being ultra paranoid all the time about his social status and his wife's level of respect for him.

Redpill seems like it takes the worst of both worlds: It replaces the love/compassion/romanticism of the Bluepilled fantasy with alpha-ness/cold-heartedness/detachment while also replacing the natural order of the Blackpilled world (Chad always wins) with this chaotic "everyone fucks everyone else's wife eventually" sort of thing.

I'm so glad the redpill idea that anyone can be chad if they shit on weaker low status males is coming to an end. I believe a lot of guys were influenced by this in 2014-2018 and that started the whole passive aggressive shoulder checking trend.

 

[micropenis29]

A lot of them are trying to market this kind of redpill lifestyle to earn a living and the rest are deluded normies that acknowledge men don't have the upper hand over women if they aren't chad but think it won't happen to them and that the bad experiences men go through with women only happen to losers.

Yeah that many have made it their careers makes it impossible to get through to them. Motivated reasoning is a powerful drug.

When they encourage guys not to give up with women and mock them as sore "beta" losers when they give up on pursuing women they are setting up those guys that wisely assessed their odds (but had second doubts) for a lot of pain tbh


I'm so glad the redpill idea that anyone can be chad if they shit on weaker low status males is coming to an end. I believe a lot of guys were influenced by this in 2014-2018 and that started the whole passive aggressive shoulder checking trend.

I'm glad too. These normie Chad-wannabe goons were reaching peak obnoxiousness levels.