Discussion A discussion on Nietzsche's Ethical system

[Over 9000]

Nietzsche's philosophical stance is often misunderstood as that of a subjective moralist, suggesting that he believed each person's actions and values were inherently correct and moral for them individually. However, this interpretation is incorrect. In reality, Nietzsche was more akin to a virtue ethicists, similar to Aristotle.Contrary to the subjective moralist perspective, Nietzsche posited that true moral and right actions are exemplified in the conduct of the "Ubermensch" or "Overman." The Ubermensch represents an ideal individual who has cultivated specific virtues and qualities. When a person's character aligns with the virtues of the Ubermensch, their actions are considered morally sound according to Nietzsche's philosophy. This concept bears resemblance to Aristotle's idea of morality, where virtuous traits in an individual define moral behavior
The key distinction between Nietzsche and Aristotle lies in their views on the virtues that an ideal person should possess/what constitutes of a virtue.
P.s:if Nietzsche was subjective moralist than he wouldn't have any problem with heard morality

 

[Over 9000]

Is it me or Hector and Achilles seem to represent two ethical systems hector being the stoic(Aristotelian ethics) while Achilles being the ubermench

 

[Over 9000]

brutal no reply pill

 

[Over 9000]

Nietzsche's philosophical stance is often misunderstood as that of a subjective moralist, suggesting that he believed each person's actions and values were inherently correct and moral for them individually. However, this interpretation is incorrect. In reality, Nietzsche was more akin to a virtue ethicists, similar to Aristotle.Contrary to the subjective moralist perspective, Nietzsche posited that true moral and right actions are exemplified in the conduct of the "Ubermensch" or "Overman." The Ubermensch represents an ideal individual who has cultivated specific virtues and qualities. When a person's character aligns with the virtues of the Ubermensch, their actions are considered morally sound according to Nietzsche's philosophy. This concept bears resemblance to Aristotle's idea of morality, where virtuous traits in an individual define moral behavior.
The key distinction between Nietzsche and Aristotle lies in their views on the virtues that an ideal person should possess
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P.s:if Nietzsche was subjective moralist than he wouldn't have any problem with heard morality

@The Enforcer can you provide me the privilege to edit the tread.i wrote something in the incorrect line

 

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lmao fr?

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/15o92sd/wtf/?rdt=53738

 

[Tesla]

Ubermensch has nothing to do with virtue ethics; those are based on a universal analysis. What's virtuous is whatever keeps a system functioning the way its values point to - virtuous ethics as idealized by Aristotle consider humanity or the very laws of this universe as that system. What Nietzsche proposed was virtue ethics as seen by the eyes of an egotist, based exclusively on one's values, therefore having catastrophic consequences in a real system which demands interactions to happen.

You can't have interactions with "one", only self-interactions. Therefore, Nietzsche was a solipsist who believed only internal consistency with his own values was enough for happiness and fuck the rest. This POV borders on psychotic, for your unhappiness is also caused by external issues people are bound to participate as humans.

 

[Over 9000]

Ubermensch has nothing to do with virtue ethics; those are based on a universal analysis. What's virtuous is whatever keeps a system functioning the way its values point to - virtuous ethics as idealized by Aristotle consider humanity or the very laws of this universe as that system. What Nietzsche proposed was virtue ethics as seen by the eyes of an egotist, based exclusively on one's values, therefore having catastrophic consequences in a real system which demands interactions to happen.

You can't have interactions with "one", only self-interactions. Therefore, Nietzsche was a solipsist who believed only internal consistency with his own values was enough for happiness and fuck the rest. This POV borders on psychotic, for your unhappiness is also caused by external issues people are bound to participate as humans.

I believe that Aristotle identifies virtues as values that enable individuals to attain a fulfilling life within society, given his assumption that humans are inherently social beings. On the other hand, nietzsche identifies virtues as values that enable ubermench to reach its end i.e personal growth, power, dominance and happiness

 

[MuddyBuddy]

That movie was kinda dumb but two chad warriors dying was a welcome site in Troy (2004). Diane Kruger butt is good fap material though.

 

[Over 9000]

@Dregster can youplease provide me the privilege to edit the tread.i wrote something in the incorrect line

 

[Dregster]

@Dregster can youplease provide me the privilege to edit the tread.i wrote something in the incorrect line

Try to edit it

 

[Over 9000]

Try to edit it

thanks bahi

Ubermensch has nothing to do with virtue ethics; those are based on a universal analysis. What's virtuous is whatever keeps a system functioning the way its values point to - virtuous ethics as idealized by Aristotle consider humanity or the very laws of this universe as that system. What Nietzsche proposed was virtue ethics as seen by the eyes of an egotist, based exclusively on one's values, therefore having catastrophic consequences in a real system which demands interactions to happen.

You can't have interactions with "one", only self-interactions. Therefore, Nietzsche was a solipsist who believed only internal consistency with his own values was enough for happiness and fuck the rest. This POV borders on psychotic, for your unhappiness is also caused by external issues people are bound to participate as humans.

Aristotle's conception of virtues goes beyond mere values/character traits that solely prevent the collapse of a system. Whats the purpose of preventing a system's collapse? is it an end in itself; rather, virtues, according to Aristotle, are values that lead to a higher purpose or end, known as 'telos.' For Aristotle, this telos is the attainment of a fulfilling life. In contrast, Nietzsche's perspective on virtues diverges, as he envisions telos as encompassing dominance, control, vitality, and thriving. Both Aristotle and Nietzsche draw upon instinctual elements. Aristotle's appeal rests on the pursuit of happiness and the recognition of humanity's inherent nature as social beings. In contrast, Nietzsche's appeal stems from the innate human desires for dominance, control, vitality, and thriving.

 

[Dregster]

thanks bahi

Aristotle's conception of virtues goes beyond mere values/character traits that solely prevent the collapse of a system. Whats the purpose of preventing a system's collapse? is it an end in itself; rather, virtues, according to Aristotle, are values that lead to a higher purpose or end, known as 'telos.' For Aristotle, this telos is the attainment of a fulfilling life. In contrast, Nietzsche's perspective on virtues diverges, as he envisions telos as encompassing dominance, control, vitality, and thriving. Both Aristotle and Nietzsche draw upon instinctual elements. Aristotle's appeal rests on the pursuit of happiness and the recognition of humanity's inherent nature as social beings. In contrast, Nietzsche's appeal stems from the innate human desires for dominance, control, vitality, and thriving.

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[Drakul]

Is it me or Hector and Achilles seem to represent two ethical systems hector being the stoic(Aristotelian ethics) while Achilles being the ubermench

Plato surely hated Achilles as he was 100% individualism and drama queen over the tribe's interest. Hector is indeed the specular opposite and would have inspired also Aeneas in Virgil's Aeneid as the "duty before emotions" hero.

 

[Over 9000]

Plato surely hated Achilles as he was 100% individualism and drama queen over the tribe's interest. Hector is indeed the specular opposite and would have inspired also Aeneas in Virgil's Aeneid as the "duty before emotions" hero.

absolutely mirin hector

 

[Drakul]

absolutely mirin hector

But as Incels there's no point. We should aim at abomination version of Achilles which was basically Milton's Satan

 

[AntisocialNihilist]

Ubermensch has nothing to do with virtue ethics; those are based on a universal analysis. What's virtuous is whatever keeps a system functioning the way its values point to - virtuous ethics as idealized by Aristotle consider humanity or the very laws of this universe as that system. What Nietzsche proposed was virtue ethics as seen by the eyes of an egotist, based exclusively on one's values, therefore having catastrophic consequences in a real system which demands interactions to happen.

You can't have interactions with "one", only self-interactions. Therefore, Nietzsche was a solipsist who believed only internal consistency with his own values was enough for happiness and fuck the rest. This POV borders on psychotic, for your unhappiness is also caused by external issues people are bound to participate as humans.

Dnr, read all his books again, all quotes, then try again!

Oh, and you're weak.

 

[Tesla]

Dnr, read all his books again, all quotes, then try again!

Oh, and you're weak.


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It's always like that with Nietzsche, the trump is no one's ever right about him except themselves. The ineffability of his work is caused by the solipsistic nature of the work itself.

 

[AntisocialNihilist]

It's always like that with Nietzsche, the trump is no one's ever right about him except themselves. The ineffability of his work is caused by the solipsistic nature of the work itself.

You may be onto something.