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Blackpill A common argument against blackpillers is "you just want to blame something out of your control" but here's the reality...

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This is easily one of the most common arguments. "You just want to blame external factors" "you're too lazy to chance go you just blame your genetics" and other variations are commonly told to anyone expressing even slightly blackpilled reasons for why they can't attract women.

But the reality couldn't be further from the truth. So many of us, especially us oldcels, had to learn this the hard way. But even most of the zoomers here went through a bluepill and/or redpill phase. And initially we all tried to fight this belief because thinking "I'm genetically inferior male and will thus be a genetic dead end" is completely antithetical to our masculine instincts.

Personally I was bluepilled when I was young. I simped. I went for girls with similar interests thinking that compatibility was important. I went through a gymceling phase. I got lean and shredded with a 6 pack. I did a lot of cold approaching. Even when I fully accepted that I was ugly (and how ugly I truly was) I approached extremely unattractive women, as in morbidly obese or really ugly (I've approached women with craniofacial deformities) thinking if I just combined that approach with "numbers game" that I could eventually get my looksmatch or lower (though admittedly as ugly as I was, there really wasn't much room logistically to go lower). I tried social circle game. Day game. Night game.

I tried to fight the idea that I was too ugly for women, even the least attractive women, but the evidence simply overwhelmed me to the point where I could not deny it anymore.

Most blackpillers (especially the older ones) here went through a very similar journey.

Admittedly, you do have the ones who learned about the blackpill because of tik tok or some shit. Extremely sheltered zoomers who never approached that many women. Those are the ones that end up falling for retarded theories and cherrypicking threads...because their conviction in the blackpill isn't based on experience but things they see online. So you can cherrypick one example (with no context), tack on some stupid theory (just be X), and they'll eat it up. But for those of us who were blackpilled by personal experience and learned it the hardway...through trial and error and observation, we can see through that bullshit.
 
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You don't find the blackpill, the blackpill finds you
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Even when I fully accepted that I was ugly (and how ugly I truly was) I approached extremely unattractive women, as in morbidly obese or really ugly (I've approached women with craniofacial deformities) thinking if I just combined that approach with "numbers game" that I could eventually get my looksmatch or lower (though admittedly as ugly as I was, there really wasn't much room logistically to go lower). I tried social circle game. Day game. Night game.
It's amazing how often the Juggernaut Law is ignored... there are some standardcels here that are like "Ewww, no way I can be with someone like that" as if they ever had the choice to begin with lol. There are also guys who legit believe that women can be 'incels' too...

Admittedly, you do have the ones who learned about the blackpill because of tik tok or some shit. Zoomers who never approached that many women. Those are the ones that end up falling for retarded theories and cherrypicking threads...because their conviction in the blackpill isn't based on experience but things they see online. So you can cherrypick one example (with no context), tack on some stupid theory (just be X), and they'll eat it up. But for those of us who were blackpilled by personal experience and learned it the hardway...through trial and error and observation, we can see through that bullshit.
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I'm also remembering the time they went haywire over the oofy doofy thing as well.
 
"You just want to blame external factors" "you're too lazy to chance go you just blame your genetics" and other variations are commonly told to anyone expressing even slightly blackpilled reasons for why they can't attract women.
I think non-incels going for broad generalizations like this show a little bit of a lack of knowledge (maybe)?

Society is more complex than ever before in shaping the opinions and ideology of the masses to suit whatever is chosen by the herd mentality as a norm of life, whether it is a certain trait not be accessible to less lucky people such to genetics, personality, timing and circumstance. You simply can not predict a disgruntled individual's outcome based on these factors.

If most women today lust after a certain aspect of masculinity (chads, moneymaxxers) that they learned through powerful algorithms on Facebook and Tik Tok, there is nothing You or I can do about it.
 
This is easily one of the most common arguments. "You just want to blame external factors" "you're too lazy to chance go you just blame your genetics" and other variations are commonly told to anyone expressing even slightly blackpilled reasons for why they can't attract women.

But the reality couldn't be further from the truth. So many of us, especially us oldcels, had to learn this the hard way. But even most of the zoomers here went through a bluepill and/or redpill phase. And initially we all tried to fight this belief because thinking "I'm genetically inferior male and will thus be a genetic dead end" is completely antithetical to our masculine instincts.

Personally I was bluepilled when I was young. I simped. I went for girls with similar interests thinking that compatibility was important. I went through a gymceling phase. I got lean and shredded with a 6 pack. I did a lot of cold approaching. Even when I fully accepted that I was ugly (and how ugly I truly was) I approached extremely unattractive women, as in morbidly obese or really ugly (I've approached women with craniofacial deformities) thinking if I just combined that approach with "numbers game" that I could eventually get my looksmatch or lower (though admittedly as ugly as I was, there really wasn't much room logistically to go lower). I tried social circle game. Day game. Night game.

I tried to fight the idea that I was too ugly for women, even the least attractive women, but the evidence simply overwhelmed me to the point where I could not deny it anymore.

Most blackpillers (especially the older ones) here went through a very similar journey.

Admittedly, you do have the ones who learned about the blackpill because of tik tok or some shit. Extremely sheltered zoomers who never approached that many women. Those are the ones that end up falling for retarded theories and cherrypicking threads...because their conviction in the blackpill isn't based on experience but things they see online. So you can cherrypick one example (with no context), tack on some stupid theory (just be X), and they'll eat it up. But for those of us who were blackpilled by personal experience and learned it the hardway...through trial and error and observation, we can see through that bullshit.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/P2k1UuSX-7I?si=i2h8HI1CdmcW1E-6
 
The real issue with the argument is that it doesn't matter. You can be right for good or for bad reasons. Your intentions don't determine if you are right or wrong.

We as people are easier to attack than the steel-manned version of our position, so outsiders (who mostly enter the interaction wanting to find plausible reasons to disbelieve and discredit us) focus on that angle. And to be fair, many Incels make it as easy as possible for the opposition to succeed in these attempts at character assassination. But if society cared about what was right, none of that would matter. If you had gotten laid after one of your approaches, nothing about the overall situation would have changed.
 
They want to deny we're even ugly and pretend that all incels are either average or above-average men who are just insecure.


Anything to protect their just world fallacy.
If they do see that we're ugly they'll try to gaslight us about how women could sense we were toxic.


One of the dumbest arguments I was in was with an idiot who claimed that the reason women rejected and mocked me was because they could sense I would use incel forums in the future. :feelskek: :feelskek:

Logic goes out the window with these morons
 
This is easily one of the most common arguments. "You just want to blame external factors" "you're too lazy to chance go you just blame your genetics" and other variations are commonly told to anyone expressing even slightly blackpilled reasons for why they can't attract women.

But the reality couldn't be further from the truth. So many of us, especially us oldcels, had to learn this the hard way. But even most of the zoomers here went through a bluepill and/or redpill phase. And initially we all tried to fight this belief because thinking "I'm genetically inferior male and will thus be a genetic dead end" is completely antithetical to our masculine instincts.

Personally I was bluepilled when I was young. I simped. I went for girls with similar interests thinking that compatibility was important. I went through a gymceling phase. I got lean and shredded with a 6 pack. I did a lot of cold approaching. Even when I fully accepted that I was ugly (and how ugly I truly was) I approached extremely unattractive women, as in morbidly obese or really ugly (I've approached women with craniofacial deformities) thinking if I just combined that approach with "numbers game" that I could eventually get my looksmatch or lower (though admittedly as ugly as I was, there really wasn't much room logistically to go lower). I tried social circle game. Day game. Night game.

I tried to fight the idea that I was too ugly for women, even the least attractive women, but the evidence simply overwhelmed me to the point where I could not deny it anymore.

Most blackpillers (especially the older ones) here went through a very similar journey.

Admittedly, you do have the ones who learned about the blackpill because of tik tok or some shit. Extremely sheltered zoomers who never approached that many women. Those are the ones that end up falling for retarded theories and cherrypicking threads...because their conviction in the blackpill isn't based on experience but things they see online. So you can cherrypick one example (with no context), tack on some stupid theory (just be X), and they'll eat it up. But for those of us who were blackpilled by personal experience and learned it the hardway...through trial and error and observation, we can see through that bullshit.
The fact that men gymcel/gymmaxx is an acceptance on some level that their looks matter. If your body matters, why wouldn’t your face? The same way men care about women’s face and body

Then they’ll always show some touchless outlier relationship examples that they themselves know are so rare & strange looking, that it’s a sight to behold. The way normies cope with the blackpill will never cease to amuse me

Chadfishes are the quickest way to blackpill normies
 
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Personally I was bluepilled when I was young. I simped. I went for girls with similar interests thinking that compatibility was important. I went through a gymceling phase. I got lean and shredded with a 6 pack. I did a lot of cold approaching. Even when I fully accepted that I was ugly (and how ugly I truly was) I approached extremely unattractive women, as in morbidly obese or really ugly (I've approached women with craniofacial deformities) thinking if I just combined that approach with "numbers game" that I could eventually get my looksmatch or lower (though admittedly as ugly as I was, there really wasn't much room logistically to go lower). I tried social circle game. Day game. Night game.
Went through the same, I don't even have autism, anxiety or whatever. Just plain ugly and short, but like @OutcompetedByRoomba said, these people don't care about the truth but about what appeases their feelings, because once they accept the truth that face and height are everything, there is no reason to keep putting the goody-goody facade for society.
 

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